From ceri.clatworthy at gmail.com  Tue Apr  2 15:26:05 2013
From: ceri.clatworthy at gmail.com (ceri clatworthy)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 15:26:05 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] First meating
Message-ID: <CAO=DJn-3Hu22qJXda-Ci6crnA7tFm5EeaBMJUUYAfFeg=m2zSQ@mail.gmail.com>

Is there going to be a meating tonight?
I haven't had any messages in a few day's?
Cheers
Ceri
On Mar 26, 2013 11:52 AM, "Tom Lloyd" <napalmllama at gmail.com> wrote:

> I think that in general Facebook should be avoided, (for all RMS' reasons;
> also not everyone has an account), but for stuff like an informal opinion
> poll it'll do in a pinch.  Or, try a web search for eg. "easy poll".
>
> If a decision matters, we'll discuss it in person.  If not... then it
> doesn't matter :)
>
> -- Tom
>
> On 26 March 2013 11:41, Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> > On Tue, 2013-03-26 at 09:24 +0000, Gerrit Niezen wrote:
>> > > On the Swansea Hackspace Facebook page
>> > > (https://www.facebook.com/SwanseaHackspace) I've posted an opinion
>> > > poll where you can vote on how much you'd be willing to pay.
>> >
>>
>> > On Tue, 2013-03-26 at 09:57 +0000, Neil Jones wrote:
>> > PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE can we NOT use Facebook for making decisions. This
>> > is one of the reasons why we need physical meetings
>>
>> It was posed a few days ago that we should hold a straw poll on this
>> topic and facebook was suggested at the time, nobody offered any
>> alternatives, at least Gerrit is doing something to contribute.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Hackspace mailing list
>> Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Hackspace mailing list
> Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
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From tswsl1989 at sucs.org  Tue Apr  2 15:34:54 2013
From: tswsl1989 at sucs.org (Tom Lake)
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 15:34:54 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] First meating
In-Reply-To: <CAO=DJn-3Hu22qJXda-Ci6crnA7tFm5EeaBMJUUYAfFeg=m2zSQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO=DJn-3Hu22qJXda-Ci6crnA7tFm5EeaBMJUUYAfFeg=m2zSQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <515AEC8E.9020002@sucs.org>

On 02/04/2013 15:26, ceri clatworthy wrote:
> Is there going to be a meating tonight?
Yes, 7pm in the back room of the Vivian in Sketty.

- Tom






From paul at harwood-leon.com  Tue Apr  2 15:41:50 2013
From: paul at harwood-leon.com (Paul Harwood)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 15:41:50 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] First meating
In-Reply-To: <515AEC8E.9020002@sucs.org>
References: <CAO=DJn-3Hu22qJXda-Ci6crnA7tFm5EeaBMJUUYAfFeg=m2zSQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<515AEC8E.9020002@sucs.org>
Message-ID: <A03248B7-3DA6-4D12-82B5-8175F31A6C65@harwood-leon.com>

Sadly, I won't be able to make tonight as I have a meet-up of my own planned in Bristol. 

Will be really interested to hear what goes on though, will there be minutes?

Cheers

-- Paul


On 2 Apr 2013, at 15:34, Tom Lake <tswsl1989 at sucs.org> wrote:

> On 02/04/2013 15:26, ceri clatworthy wrote:
>> Is there going to be a meating tonight?
> Yes, 7pm in the back room of the Vivian in Sketty.
> 
> - Tom

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From justin at discordia.org.uk  Tue Apr  2 16:27:59 2013
From: justin at discordia.org.uk (Justin Mitchell)
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 16:27:59 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] First meating
In-Reply-To: <A03248B7-3DA6-4D12-82B5-8175F31A6C65@harwood-leon.com>
References: <CAO=DJn-3Hu22qJXda-Ci6crnA7tFm5EeaBMJUUYAfFeg=m2zSQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<515AEC8E.9020002@sucs.org>
	<A03248B7-3DA6-4D12-82B5-8175F31A6C65@harwood-leon.com>
Message-ID: <1364916479.13658.23.camel@quartz.geode.org.uk>

On Tue, 2013-04-02 at 15:41 +0100, Paul Harwood wrote:
> Sadly, I won't be able to make tonight as I have a meet-up of my own
> planned in Bristol. 
> 
> 
> Will be really interested to hear what goes on though, will there be
> minutes?

I plan to try and take notes unless someone with better writing skills
offers to do it.

I know of a few people who can't make tonight and i don't want people to
feel excluded because they had other commitments.








From justin at discordia.org.uk  Wed Apr  3 10:56:48 2013
From: justin at discordia.org.uk (Justin Mitchell)
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2013 10:56:48 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Minutes of Introductory Meeting 2013-04-02
Message-ID: <1364983008.22318.3.camel@quartz.geode.org.uk>

Hi everyone,
thanks to all of those that were able to make it to last nights meeting.

I have quickly typed up the notes i took, please let me know if there's
anything you feel i forgot or got wrong.

http://swansea.hackspace.org.uk/meetings/





From alan at lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk  Thu Apr  4 17:42:47 2013
From: alan at lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk (Alan Cox)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 17:42:47 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Minutes of Introductory Meeting 2013-04-02
In-Reply-To: <1364983008.22318.3.camel@quartz.geode.org.uk>
References: <1364983008.22318.3.camel@quartz.geode.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20130404174247.69cefb86@www.etchedpixels.co.uk>

On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 10:56:48 +0100
Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> thanks to all of those that were able to make it to last nights meeting.
> 
> I have quickly typed up the notes i took, please let me know if there's
> anything you feel i forgot or got wrong.
> 
> http://swansea.hackspace.org.uk/meetings/


On the H&S side - you can't just "avoid" things you need to do proper
risk assessments. 3D printers are actually quite dangerous devices with
high temperature heads waving around exuding hot plastics. In addition
several of the offered kits contain design flaws (notably the wrong grade
of glass for heat beds meaning condensation can shatter them), and many of
the materials they print emit hazardous fumes.

If they were operating in an industrial environment they'd require proper
screens, an interlocked lid, safety goggles etc when in use, plus for many
materials also ventilation.

There are lots of easier ways to kill yourself with a lathe I grant.

"Some funding is available (eg from the university) for projects that
look like they a serious about outreaching to industry."

I assume "are" not "a".



Alan



From steve at chygwyn.com  Thu Apr  4 17:44:53 2013
From: steve at chygwyn.com (Steven Whitehouse)
Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 17:44:53 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Minutes of Introductory Meeting 2013-04-02
In-Reply-To: <20130404174247.69cefb86@www.etchedpixels.co.uk>
References: <1364983008.22318.3.camel@quartz.geode.org.uk>
	<20130404174247.69cefb86@www.etchedpixels.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1365093893.2736.29.camel@menhir>

Hi,

On Thu, 2013-04-04 at 17:42 +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 10:56:48 +0100
> Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk> wrote:
> 
> > Hi everyone,
> > thanks to all of those that were able to make it to last nights meeting.
> > 
> > I have quickly typed up the notes i took, please let me know if there's
> > anything you feel i forgot or got wrong.
> > 
> > http://swansea.hackspace.org.uk/meetings/
> 
> 
> On the H&S side - you can't just "avoid" things you need to do proper
> risk assessments. 3D printers are actually quite dangerous devices with
> high temperature heads waving around exuding hot plastics. In addition
> several of the offered kits contain design flaws (notably the wrong grade
> of glass for heat beds meaning condensation can shatter them), and many of
> the materials they print emit hazardous fumes.
> 
> If they were operating in an industrial environment they'd require proper
> screens, an interlocked lid, safety goggles etc when in use, plus for many
> materials also ventilation.
> 
That is one reason that using the University ones is attractive - we
wouldn't need to come into contact either with the machines or with the
solutions used to dissolve the support material after the item(s) have
been printed. Just a question of submitting payment & design and waiting
for the result :-)


Steve.





From ceri.clatworthy at gmail.com  Thu Apr  4 18:08:43 2013
From: ceri.clatworthy at gmail.com (ceri clatworthy)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 18:08:43 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Minutes of Introductory Meeting 2013-04-02
In-Reply-To: <20130404174247.69cefb86@www.etchedpixels.co.uk>
References: <1364983008.22318.3.camel@quartz.geode.org.uk>
	<20130404174247.69cefb86@www.etchedpixels.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CAO=DJn8N=epx6Ukn7tHKm7DbOgT4=hyNxOXC-34Tb0HDcsXe+Q@mail.gmail.com>

In regards to the 3D printer, if you use PLA, then there is a much lower
melting temperature, and no real need for a hot plate.
And it also changes from liquid to solid much faster.so much less risk if
the molten plastic burn, (like sugar, )
Also there's no issue with fumes, !

Hopefully in the next couple of months my 3D printer will be up and
running, and self replicating :-)

Cheers
Ceri
On Apr 4, 2013 5:43 PM, "Alan Cox" <alan at lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> wrote:

> On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 10:56:48 +0100
> Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk> wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone,
> > thanks to all of those that were able to make it to last nights meeting.
> >
> > I have quickly typed up the notes i took, please let me know if there's
> > anything you feel i forgot or got wrong.
> >
> > http://swansea.hackspace.org.uk/meetings/
>
>
> On the H&S side - you can't just "avoid" things you need to do proper
> risk assessments. 3D printers are actually quite dangerous devices with
> high temperature heads waving around exuding hot plastics. In addition
> several of the offered kits contain design flaws (notably the wrong grade
> of glass for heat beds meaning condensation can shatter them), and many of
> the materials they print emit hazardous fumes.
>
> If they were operating in an industrial environment they'd require proper
> screens, an interlocked lid, safety goggles etc when in use, plus for many
> materials also ventilation.
>
> There are lots of easier ways to kill yourself with a lathe I grant.
>
> "Some funding is available (eg from the university) for projects that
> look like they a serious about outreaching to industry."
>
> I assume "are" not "a".
>
>
>
> Alan
>
> _______________________________________________
> Hackspace mailing list
> Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
>
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From napalmllama at gmail.com  Thu Apr  4 18:09:19 2013
From: napalmllama at gmail.com (Tom Lloyd)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 18:09:19 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Minutes of Introductory Meeting 2013-04-02
In-Reply-To: <1365093893.2736.29.camel@menhir>
References: <1364983008.22318.3.camel@quartz.geode.org.uk>
	<20130404174247.69cefb86@www.etchedpixels.co.uk>
	<1365093893.2736.29.camel@menhir>
Message-ID: <CAF85AwWJiFhTQ3LMnq7+MWTWzsuZuxLosdnod4pvVMgmpJ2Dyg@mail.gmail.com>

Doing risk assessments is a pain, but when you consider that the
alternative is sometime being seriously injured or poisoned, or us being
sued or shut down, it's kind of worth it.

Normally what you do is have a rule where before you can use a machine, you
have to be trained by a "competent person". This person doesn't have to
have a recognised qualification, although that obviously wouldn't hurt.
Then if something bad happens, the fault lies either with the operator for
not following training, or with the trainer for not training effectively.
Thus competency is self-policing: if you suck at training, YOU could
potentially be in hot water.
If the organisation has carried out a full risk assessment then the injured
party wouldn't have much of a case against them.
We would need to risk assess the area where work is carried out, and any
tasks done within that area, then review these assessments on e.g. an
annual basis. People would be signed off as trained for certain kit, and
these records would be kept safe in case they were needed as proof after an
accident.

All of this applies to us, but I imagine the HSE would cut us a bit more
slack than a commercial organisation, given our size and lack of resources.
I will ask about ways to protect against civil claims - waivers, etc.

Does anyone know what kind of H&S management structure established
hackspaces employ?

-- Tom
On Apr 4, 2013 5:47 PM, "Steven Whitehouse" <steve at chygwyn.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Thu, 2013-04-04 at 17:42 +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> > On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 10:56:48 +0100
> > Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi everyone,
> > > thanks to all of those that were able to make it to last nights
> meeting.
> > >
> > > I have quickly typed up the notes i took, please let me know if there's
> > > anything you feel i forgot or got wrong.
> > >
> > > http://swansea.hackspace.org.uk/meetings/
> >
> >
> > On the H&S side - you can't just "avoid" things you need to do proper
> > risk assessments. 3D printers are actually quite dangerous devices with
> > high temperature heads waving around exuding hot plastics. In addition
> > several of the offered kits contain design flaws (notably the wrong grade
> > of glass for heat beds meaning condensation can shatter them), and many
> of
> > the materials they print emit hazardous fumes.
> >
> > If they were operating in an industrial environment they'd require proper
> > screens, an interlocked lid, safety goggles etc when in use, plus for
> many
> > materials also ventilation.
> >
> That is one reason that using the University ones is attractive - we
> wouldn't need to come into contact either with the machines or with the
> solutions used to dissolve the support material after the item(s) have
> been printed. Just a question of submitting payment & design and waiting
> for the result :-)
>
>
> Steve.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Hackspace mailing list
> Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
>
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From napalmllama at gmail.com  Thu Apr  4 18:21:15 2013
From: napalmllama at gmail.com (Tom Lloyd)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 18:21:15 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Minutes of Introductory Meeting 2013-04-02
In-Reply-To: <CAF85AwWJiFhTQ3LMnq7+MWTWzsuZuxLosdnod4pvVMgmpJ2Dyg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1364983008.22318.3.camel@quartz.geode.org.uk>
	<20130404174247.69cefb86@www.etchedpixels.co.uk>
	<1365093893.2736.29.camel@menhir>
	<CAF85AwWJiFhTQ3LMnq7+MWTWzsuZuxLosdnod4pvVMgmpJ2Dyg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAF85AwWqayiVDYxC0+_juB3KYJfy5+yk3TUSKCa1cNvOTj1qhg@mail.gmail.com>

P.S. I've a few nice ideas for the logo; I hope to have something to show
before I go on holiday next Thursday, or failing that by our next meeting
at the latest...
:)
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From steve at chygwyn.com  Thu Apr  4 18:37:33 2013
From: steve at chygwyn.com (Steven Whitehouse)
Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 18:37:33 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Minutes of Introductory Meeting 2013-04-02
In-Reply-To: <CAF85AwWJiFhTQ3LMnq7+MWTWzsuZuxLosdnod4pvVMgmpJ2Dyg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1364983008.22318.3.camel@quartz.geode.org.uk>
	<20130404174247.69cefb86@www.etchedpixels.co.uk>
	<1365093893.2736.29.camel@menhir>
	<CAF85AwWJiFhTQ3LMnq7+MWTWzsuZuxLosdnod4pvVMgmpJ2Dyg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1365097053.2736.32.camel@menhir>

Hi,

On Thu, 2013-04-04 at 18:09 +0100, Tom Lloyd wrote:
> Doing risk assessments is a pain, but when you consider that the
> alternative is sometime being seriously injured or poisoned, or us
> being sued or shut down, it's kind of worth it.
> 
Very much agreed...

> Normally what you do is have a rule where before you can use a
> machine, you have to be trained by a "competent person". This person
> doesn't have to have a recognised qualification, although that
> obviously wouldn't hurt. Then if something bad happens, the fault lies
> either with the operator for not following training, or with the
> trainer for not training effectively. Thus competency is
> self-policing: if you suck at training, YOU could potentially be in
> hot water.
> If the organisation has carried out a full risk assessment then the
> injured party wouldn't have much of a case against them.
> We would need to risk assess the area where work is carried out, and
> any tasks done within that area, then review these assessments on e.g.
> an annual basis. People would be signed off as trained for certain
> kit, and these records would be kept safe in case they were needed as
> proof after an accident.
> 
> All of this applies to us, but I imagine the HSE would cut us a bit
> more slack than a commercial organisation, given our size and lack of
> resources. I will ask about ways to protect against civil claims -
> waivers, etc.
> 
> Does anyone know what kind of H&S management structure established
> hackspaces employ?
> 
> -- Tom
> 
Well when we asked the Cardiff people, their answer appeared to be that
they hadn't really thought about it... not a confidence inspiring answer
really,

Steve.





From alan at lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk  Thu Apr  4 20:20:24 2013
From: alan at lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk (Alan Cox)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 20:20:24 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Minutes of Introductory Meeting 2013-04-02
In-Reply-To: <CAF85AwWJiFhTQ3LMnq7+MWTWzsuZuxLosdnod4pvVMgmpJ2Dyg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1364983008.22318.3.camel@quartz.geode.org.uk>
	<20130404174247.69cefb86@www.etchedpixels.co.uk>
	<1365093893.2736.29.camel@menhir>
	<CAF85AwWJiFhTQ3LMnq7+MWTWzsuZuxLosdnod4pvVMgmpJ2Dyg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20130404202024.547153f0@www.etchedpixels.co.uk>

> All of this applies to us, but I imagine the HSE would cut us a bit more
> slack than a commercial organisation, given our size and lack of resources.

Size is pretty irrelevant but you get a lot of slack for not being a
business. Roughly the view is that people who are involved in
something and choose to do it for the fun of it are much less protected.
Blowing yourself up is bad, blowing employees up is very bad, blowing up
passing members of the public up is extremely bad 8). That's reflected in
things like the usual ALARP value assignments.

> I will ask about ways to protect against civil claims - waivers, etc.

Part of that is just carrying appropriate insurance as a group. You need
that anyway because there are many situations (such as burning down the
building) where you are liable even if you were not careless with the
matches.

Alan



From justin at discordia.org.uk  Thu Apr  4 20:42:46 2013
From: justin at discordia.org.uk (Justin Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 20:42:46 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Minutes of Introductory Meeting 2013-04-02
In-Reply-To: <20130404174247.69cefb86@www.etchedpixels.co.uk>
References: <1364983008.22318.3.camel@quartz.geode.org.uk>
	<20130404174247.69cefb86@www.etchedpixels.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1365104566.11022.5.camel@quartz.geode.org.uk>

On Thu, 2013-04-04 at 17:42 +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 10:56:48 +0100
> Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk> wrote:
> 
> > Hi everyone,
> > thanks to all of those that were able to make it to last nights meeting.
> > 
> > I have quickly typed up the notes i took, please let me know if there's
> > anything you feel i forgot or got wrong.
> > 
> > http://swansea.hackspace.org.uk/meetings/
> 
> 
> On the H&S side - you can't just "avoid" things you need to do proper
> risk assessments. 

The statement i was trying to summarise was saying to avoid some of the
worst H&S issues by just not performing those activities, e.g. if you
dont have a lathe you don't need to make sure everyones suitably trained
on one. and that therefore the less dangerous chemicals and heavy
machinery we have the less there is to worry about.


but then some of us think that part of the usefulness of a hackspace is
somewhere we can go to do exactly those kind of dangerous things.


> "Some funding is available (eg from the university) for projects that
> look like they a serious about outreaching to industry."
> 
> I assume "are" not "a".
I shall have words with my proof reader ;)





From napalmllama at gmail.com  Thu Apr  4 21:23:32 2013
From: napalmllama at gmail.com (Tom Lloyd)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 21:23:32 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Minutes of Introductory Meeting 2013-04-02
In-Reply-To: <1365104566.11022.5.camel@quartz.geode.org.uk>
References: <1364983008.22318.3.camel@quartz.geode.org.uk>
	<20130404174247.69cefb86@www.etchedpixels.co.uk>
	<1365104566.11022.5.camel@quartz.geode.org.uk>
Message-ID: <CAF85AwU2UuV_d_Grm3Qi21phib1VaJ4kLZ7HgJDrbRCxYoosQQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Apr 4, 2013 8:43 PM, "Justin Mitchell" <justin at discordia.org.uk> wrote:
> The statement i was trying to summarise was saying to avoid some of the
> worst H&S issues by just not performing those activities, e.g. if you
> dont have a lathe you don't need to make sure everyones suitably trained
> on one. and that therefore the less dangerous chemicals and heavy
> machinery we have the less there is to worry about.
>
>
> but then some of us think that part of the usefulness of a hackspace is
> somewhere we can go to do exactly those kind of dangerous things.

A big part of why I'm interested is the hope that we'll eventually have
heavier stuff like lathes. If we do, obviously we must take suitable
precautions - but for now it's a moot point given that we don't even have a
place to keep one, let alone the money to buy it.

Please consider that just because it's big doesn't mean it's more
dangerous. A flying blob of solder can blind you. We're adults; we get to
play with grown-up toys if we want to :)

-- Tom
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From napalmllama at gmail.com  Fri Apr  5 20:06:31 2013
From: napalmllama at gmail.com (Tom Lloyd)
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 20:06:31 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Logos
Message-ID: <CAF85AwVick9++6izxnw5SpqRjPx-jrLC0+BJCfRht4qMEM8vbA@mail.gmail.com>

Evening all,

As promised, I've come up with a few candidate logos for our fledgling
group.  You can find them here, along with my initial ideas page which I
used as a sort of mood board:

https://sucs.org/~tlloyd87/hackspace/

All 3 designs feature a hammer and soldering iron.  No particular reason
for this, but they represent what we're about fairly well, and have
distinctive silhouettes for that blocky "no frills" look.

I've tried not to be constrained by the "Big H" hackspace design - while
there's nothing inherently wrong with it there are only so many variations
you can make, and I see no reason why we shouldn't deviate if we want to.
In any case, logo3 should look somewhat familiar :)

Please give me your feedback - do you love it?  Hate it?  Want to change
it?  Colours, variations, new ideas, let's hear them :)

All the best,
Tom
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From alan at lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk  Fri Apr  5 20:46:45 2013
From: alan at lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk (Alan Cox)
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 20:46:45 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Logos
In-Reply-To: <CAF85AwVick9++6izxnw5SpqRjPx-jrLC0+BJCfRht4qMEM8vbA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAF85AwVick9++6izxnw5SpqRjPx-jrLC0+BJCfRht4qMEM8vbA@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 20:06:31 +0100
Tom Lloyd <napalmllama at gmail.com> wrote:

> Evening all,
> 
> As promised, I've come up with a few candidate logos for our fledgling
> group.  You can find them here, along with my initial ideas page which I
> used as a sort of mood board:
> 
> https://sucs.org/~tlloyd87/hackspace/

3 is rather clever. 1 and 2 don't seem to be quite sure if they are Pink
Floyd or the soviet union 8)

Alan



From dancraggs at gmail.com  Fri Apr  5 21:03:12 2013
From: dancraggs at gmail.com (Dan Craggs)
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 21:03:12 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Logos
In-Reply-To: <20130405204645.5543e81d@www.etchedpixels.co.uk>
References: <CAF85AwVick9++6izxnw5SpqRjPx-jrLC0+BJCfRht4qMEM8vbA@mail.gmail.com>
	<20130405204645.5543e81d@www.etchedpixels.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CAOoaruQZNZQREgHdQ8BOn9tgC3jHYGZZ3G14fqANOuS_N6vi8A@mail.gmail.com>

Agreed with the modification of number 3.

Also: I lol'd quite heartily.


On 5 April 2013 20:46, Alan Cox <alan at lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> wrote:

> On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 20:06:31 +0100
> Tom Lloyd <napalmllama at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Evening all,
> >
> > As promised, I've come up with a few candidate logos for our fledgling
> > group.  You can find them here, along with my initial ideas page which I
> > used as a sort of mood board:
> >
> > https://sucs.org/~tlloyd87/hackspace/
>
> 3 is rather clever. 1 and 2 don't seem to be quite sure if they are Pink
> Floyd or the soviet union 8)
>
> Alan
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
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From napalmllama at gmail.com  Fri Apr  5 21:05:40 2013
From: napalmllama at gmail.com (Tom Lloyd)
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 21:05:40 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Logos
In-Reply-To: <20130405204645.5543e81d@www.etchedpixels.co.uk>
References: <CAF85AwVick9++6izxnw5SpqRjPx-jrLC0+BJCfRht4qMEM8vbA@mail.gmail.com>
	<20130405204645.5543e81d@www.etchedpixels.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CAF85AwUAhVvYBPxEGWJqMuNcweqrmkq9W5F+ZHGqECLMdBs7WA@mail.gmail.com>

You mean like this? http://sucs.org/~tlloyd87/hackspace/soviet.png


On 5 April 2013 20:46, Alan Cox <alan at lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> wrote:

>
> 3 is rather clever. 1 and 2 don't seem to be quite sure if they are Pink
> Floyd or the soviet union 8)
>
> Alan
>
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From p.g.richardson at phantomjinx.co.uk  Fri Apr  5 23:14:41 2013
From: p.g.richardson at phantomjinx.co.uk (phantomjinx)
Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2013 23:14:41 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Logos
In-Reply-To: <CAF85AwUAhVvYBPxEGWJqMuNcweqrmkq9W5F+ZHGqECLMdBs7WA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAF85AwVick9++6izxnw5SpqRjPx-jrLC0+BJCfRht4qMEM8vbA@mail.gmail.com>
	<20130405204645.5543e81d@www.etchedpixels.co.uk>
	<CAF85AwUAhVvYBPxEGWJqMuNcweqrmkq9W5F+ZHGqECLMdBs7WA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <515F4CD1.5010006@phantomjinx.co.uk>

+1000!!

"Power to the people, freedom for s/Tooting/Swansea/!"

PGR


On 04/05/2013 09:05 PM, Tom Lloyd wrote:
> You mean like this? http://sucs.org/~tlloyd87/hackspace/soviet.png
> 
> 
> On 5 April 2013 20:46, Alan Cox <alan at lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk <mailto:alan at lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>> wrote:
> 
> 
>     3 is rather clever. 1 and 2 don't seem to be quite sure if they are Pink
>     Floyd or the soviet union 8)
> 
>     Alan
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Hackspace mailing list
> Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
> 

-- 
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  * p.g.richardson at phantomjinx.co.uk
  * p.g.richardson at redhat.com
  * pgrichardson at linux.com

"I know exactly who reads the papers ...

  * The Daily Mirror is read by people who think they run the country.
  * The Guardian is read by people who think they ought to run the country.
  * The Times is read by people who do actually run the country.
  * The Daily Mail is read by the wives of the people who run the country.
  * The Financial Times is read by the people who own the country.
  * The Morning Star is read by the people who think the country ought to be run by another country.
  * The Daily Telegraph is read by the people who think it is."

Jim Hacker, Yes Minister




From dancraggs at gmail.com  Fri Apr  5 23:23:57 2013
From: dancraggs at gmail.com (Dan Craggs)
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 23:23:57 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Logos
In-Reply-To: <515F4CD1.5010006@phantomjinx.co.uk>
References: <CAF85AwVick9++6izxnw5SpqRjPx-jrLC0+BJCfRht4qMEM8vbA@mail.gmail.com>
	<20130405204645.5543e81d@www.etchedpixels.co.uk>
	<CAF85AwUAhVvYBPxEGWJqMuNcweqrmkq9W5F+ZHGqECLMdBs7WA@mail.gmail.com>
	<515F4CD1.5010006@phantomjinx.co.uk>
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Ieuan Stalin?


On 5 April 2013 23:14, phantomjinx <p.g.richardson at phantomjinx.co.uk> wrote:

> +1000!!
>
> "Power to the people, freedom for s/Tooting/Swansea/!"
>
> PGR
>
>
> On 04/05/2013 09:05 PM, Tom Lloyd wrote:
> > You mean like this? http://sucs.org/~tlloyd87/hackspace/soviet.png
> >
> >
> > On 5 April 2013 20:46, Alan Cox <alan at lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk <mailto:
> alan at lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>> wrote:
> >
> >
> >     3 is rather clever. 1 and 2 don't seem to be quite sure if they are
> Pink
> >     Floyd or the soviet union 8)
> >
> >     Alan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Hackspace mailing list
> > Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> > http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
> >
>
> --
> Paul Richardson
>
>   * p.g.richardson at phantomjinx.co.uk
>   * p.g.richardson at redhat.com
>   * pgrichardson at linux.com
>
> "I know exactly who reads the papers ...
>
>   * The Daily Mirror is read by people who think they run the country.
>   * The Guardian is read by people who think they ought to run the country.
>   * The Times is read by people who do actually run the country.
>   * The Daily Mail is read by the wives of the people who run the country.
>   * The Financial Times is read by the people who own the country.
>   * The Morning Star is read by the people who think the country ought to
> be run by another country.
>   * The Daily Telegraph is read by the people who think it is."
>
> Jim Hacker, Yes Minister
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Hackspace mailing list
> Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
>



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From justin at discordia.org.uk  Sat Apr  6 13:01:40 2013
From: justin at discordia.org.uk (Justin Mitchell)
Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2013 13:01:40 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Logos
In-Reply-To: <CAF85AwVick9++6izxnw5SpqRjPx-jrLC0+BJCfRht4qMEM8vbA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAF85AwVick9++6izxnw5SpqRjPx-jrLC0+BJCfRht4qMEM8vbA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1365249700.25684.12.camel@quartz.geode.org.uk>

On Fri, 2013-04-05 at 20:06 +0100, Tom Lloyd wrote:
> Evening all,
> 
> 
> As promised, I've come up with a few candidate logos for our fledgling
> group.  You can find them here, along with my initial ideas page which
> I used as a sort of mood board:
> 
> https://sucs.org/~tlloyd87/hackspace/
> 
> 
> All 3 designs feature a hammer and soldering iron.  No particular
> reason for this, but they represent what we're about fairly well, and
> have distinctive silhouettes for that blocky "no frills" look.
> 
> I've tried not to be constrained by the "Big H" hackspace design -
> while there's nothing inherently wrong with it there are only so many
> variations you can make, and I see no reason why we shouldn't deviate
> if we want to.  In any case, logo3 should look somewhat familiar :)

I am rather fond of the "Big H", it is already well establish as meaning
hackspace, what i was really hoping for was something that would
hint/suggest Swansea about it.

Taking just the city logo shade of red isnt enough on its own as its too
similar a shade to the original logo, hence wanting an additional tweak.

i have mashed together logo 3, the big H and the city colour, but i fear
its still not quite right somehow.

http://sucs.org/~arthur/hackspace/






From napalmllama at gmail.com  Sat Apr  6 13:35:03 2013
From: napalmllama at gmail.com (Tom Lloyd)
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2013 13:35:03 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Logos
In-Reply-To: <1365249700.25684.12.camel@quartz.geode.org.uk>
References: <CAF85AwVick9++6izxnw5SpqRjPx-jrLC0+BJCfRht4qMEM8vbA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1365249700.25684.12.camel@quartz.geode.org.uk>
Message-ID: <CAF85AwUefLC-m7-+m=ikFf0iSyEDBkPKcpWofNYkzDtXUu_uWg@mail.gmail.com>

When I was brainstorming ideas I tried to think of something that would say
"Swansea", but nothing came to mind.  None of the other hackspaces seem to
have their location embedded in their logo, so I figured that while it
would be nice, it's not a big deal if we don't either.  If anyone can think
of anything, let's hear it.

Colour-wise I went for greens and browns to evoke a community, grass-roots
feel.  Red does that quite nicely too, in its own way.

I think logo 3 seems to be the favourite so far.  I'm in the middle of
tweaking it to fit the established "Hackspace H" better in any case, so
I'll post a few variations on that when it's ready.

-- Tom


On 6 April 2013 13:01, Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk> wrote:

> On Fri, 2013-04-05 at 20:06 +0100, Tom Lloyd wrote:
> > Evening all,
> >
> >
> > As promised, I've come up with a few candidate logos for our fledgling
> > group.  You can find them here, along with my initial ideas page which
> > I used as a sort of mood board:
> >
> > https://sucs.org/~tlloyd87/hackspace/
> >
> >
> > All 3 designs feature a hammer and soldering iron.  No particular
> > reason for this, but they represent what we're about fairly well, and
> > have distinctive silhouettes for that blocky "no frills" look.
> >
> > I've tried not to be constrained by the "Big H" hackspace design -
> > while there's nothing inherently wrong with it there are only so many
> > variations you can make, and I see no reason why we shouldn't deviate
> > if we want to.  In any case, logo3 should look somewhat familiar :)
>
> I am rather fond of the "Big H", it is already well establish as meaning
> hackspace, what i was really hoping for was something that would
> hint/suggest Swansea about it.
>
> Taking just the city logo shade of red isnt enough on its own as its too
> similar a shade to the original logo, hence wanting an additional tweak.
>
> i have mashed together logo 3, the big H and the city colour, but i fear
> its still not quite right somehow.
>
> http://sucs.org/~arthur/hackspace/
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Hackspace mailing list
> Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
>
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From timmoore47 at gmail.com  Sun Apr  7 12:20:19 2013
From: timmoore47 at gmail.com (Tim Moore)
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 12:20:19 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 4, Issue 5
In-Reply-To: <201304071100.r37B05H2019554@stoneship.org.uk>
References: <201304071100.r37B05H2019554@stoneship.org.uk>
Message-ID: <CAAEY5oM-Ke6j3qNncmdB5Q9UYQ1o5GrCKi87OMEeBTs6+wkK-A@mail.gmail.com>

I liked all of them but the location is Swansea  or Abertawe, or even both
should be boldly stated as part of the Logo !

:  )))

Tim_1

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>    1. Re: Logos (Justin Mitchell)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2013 13:01:40 +0100
> From: Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Logos
> To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> Message-ID: <1365249700.25684.12.camel at quartz.geode.org.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> On Fri, 2013-04-05 at 20:06 +0100, Tom Lloyd wrote:
> > Evening all,
> >
> >
> > As promised, I've come up with a few candidate logos for our fledgling
> > group.  You can find them here, along with my initial ideas page which
> > I used as a sort of mood board:
> >
> > https://sucs.org/~tlloyd87/hackspace/
> >
> >
> > All 3 designs feature a hammer and soldering iron.  No particular
> > reason for this, but they represent what we're about fairly well, and
> > have distinctive silhouettes for that blocky "no frills" look.
> >
> > I've tried not to be constrained by the "Big H" hackspace design -
> > while there's nothing inherently wrong with it there are only so many
> > variations you can make, and I see no reason why we shouldn't deviate
> > if we want to.  In any case, logo3 should look somewhat familiar :)
>
> I am rather fond of the "Big H", it is already well establish as meaning
> hackspace, what i was really hoping for was something that would
> hint/suggest Swansea about it.
>
> Taking just the city logo shade of red isnt enough on its own as its too
> similar a shade to the original logo, hence wanting an additional tweak.
>
> i have mashed together logo 3, the big H and the city colour, but i fear
> its still not quite right somehow.
>
> http://sucs.org/~arthur/hackspace/
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2013 13:35:03 +0100
> From: Tom Lloyd <napalmllama at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Logos
> To: Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk>
> Cc: "hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk"
>         <hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk>
> Message-ID:
>         <CAF85AwUefLC-m7-+m=
> ikFf0iSyEDBkPKcpWofNYkzDtXUu_uWg at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> When I was brainstorming ideas I tried to think of something that would say
> "Swansea", but nothing came to mind.  None of the other hackspaces seem to
> have their location embedded in their logo, so I figured that while it
> would be nice, it's not a big deal if we don't either.  If anyone can think
> of anything, let's hear it.
>
> Colour-wise I went for greens and browns to evoke a community, grass-roots
> feel.  Red does that quite nicely too, in its own way.
>
> I think logo 3 seems to be the favourite so far.  I'm in the middle of
> tweaking it to fit the established "Hackspace H" better in any case, so
> I'll post a few variations on that when it's ready.
>
> -- Tom
>
>
> On 6 April 2013 13:01, Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 2013-04-05 at 20:06 +0100, Tom Lloyd wrote:
> > > Evening all,
> > >
> > >
> > > As promised, I've come up with a few candidate logos for our fledgling
> > > group.  You can find them here, along with my initial ideas page which
> > > I used as a sort of mood board:
> > >
> > > https://sucs.org/~tlloyd87/hackspace/
> > >
> > >
> > > All 3 designs feature a hammer and soldering iron.  No particular
> > > reason for this, but they represent what we're about fairly well, and
> > > have distinctive silhouettes for that blocky "no frills" look.
> > >
> > > I've tried not to be constrained by the "Big H" hackspace design -
> > > while there's nothing inherently wrong with it there are only so many
> > > variations you can make, and I see no reason why we shouldn't deviate
> > > if we want to.  In any case, logo3 should look somewhat familiar :)
> >
> > I am rather fond of the "Big H", it is already well establish as meaning
> > hackspace, what i was really hoping for was something that would
> > hint/suggest Swansea about it.
> >
> > Taking just the city logo shade of red isnt enough on its own as its too
> > similar a shade to the original logo, hence wanting an additional tweak.
> >
> > i have mashed together logo 3, the big H and the city colour, but i fear
> > its still not quite right somehow.
> >
> > http://sucs.org/~arthur/hackspace/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Hackspace mailing list
> > Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> > http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
> >
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From napalmllama at gmail.com  Sun Apr  7 13:59:38 2013
From: napalmllama at gmail.com (Tom Lloyd)
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 13:59:38 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Logos
In-Reply-To: <9F7FA2E0294A934CA0CD9E97BD580F8411DD9448@CCS-EXCHANGE1.brynmill.swan.ac.uk>
References: <CAF85AwVick9++6izxnw5SpqRjPx-jrLC0+BJCfRht4qMEM8vbA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1365249700.25684.12.camel@quartz.geode.org.uk>
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That is helpful, thankyou.  I'll have a play with those ideas and see what
happens.  The idea of a red H on a green/white background had occurred to
me - although I'd feel a bit funny about designing it, as I'm English :)  I
think if we wanted to, we could take a Welsh flag inspired design for our
own, as Cardiff haven't and I don't think there any other Welsh cities big
enough to support a hackspace.  Carpe draco, if you will.

I've got a big page of corporate logo designs open in a tab somewhere that
I was going to look at for inspiration, so I'll add the Copper Quarter
stuff to that.

Thanks for your input, you've given me a bit to think about :)

-- Tom


On 7 April 2013 08:01, Carter N. <N.Carter at swansea.ac.uk> wrote:

> **
>
> Hi Tom,
>
>
>
> >When I was brainstorming ideas I tried to think of
> > something that would say "Swansea", but nothing came to mind.
>
> Thanks for your enthusiastic and talented efforts in this. Contrary to
> your comment that nothing came to mind, I notice that you have the outline
> of a swan on your mood board! My impression was that the curve of the
> soldering iron cable and/or that of the claw hammer might be adapted into a
> swan neck (don't ask me how to do that; I'm useless at graphical design
> ;-). You obvously have an ability for this sort of thing, so I'll leave
> this thought in your capable mind :-)
>
> Not sure if featuring Wales (dragon, green and white horizontal stripes
> with red foreground) would be specific enough.
>
> Hmm, come to think of it, there's a major urban restoration project going
> on just north of the city, relating to the old copper works that were
> there. "Cu Swansea" I think it's called. Given copper's fundamental link
> with hacking, one might find inspiration in the restoration project's
> artwork and materials.
>
> I hope this is helpful.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Neil
>
>
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From gerrit.niezen at gmail.com  Sun Apr  7 15:40:52 2013
From: gerrit.niezen at gmail.com (Gerrit Niezen)
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 15:40:52 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Minutes of Introductory Meeting 2013-04-02
In-Reply-To: <1364983008.22318.3.camel@quartz.geode.org.uk>
References: <1364983008.22318.3.camel@quartz.geode.org.uk>
Message-ID: <54BF301B-A556-4996-9E1D-88E126212740@gmail.com>

Hi all,

With the next meeting consisting of a lightning talk session, I would like to volunteer to give a talk on:
"Making rainbows with hardware: Experimenting with LED light strips"

Edwin, Timothy: Any news on room availability from the university?

IIRC we are targeting the 22nd of April as the date for the next meeting? Once we have the venue fixed, it would be good to start advertising the talk to interested parties.

Cheers,
Gerrit

On Apr 3, 2013, at 10:56 AM, Justin Mitchell wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> thanks to all of those that were able to make it to last nights meeting.
> 
> I have quickly typed up the notes i took, please let me know if there's
> anything you feel i forgot or got wrong.
> 
> http://swansea.hackspace.org.uk/meetings/
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Hackspace mailing list
> Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace




From napalmllama at gmail.com  Sun Apr  7 18:06:00 2013
From: napalmllama at gmail.com (Tom Lloyd)
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 18:06:00 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Logos
In-Reply-To: <CAF85AwUL2WpV4rbc9R_sNsPrYALPFhjgRMSe5oM=gJgxzJ2Ofw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAF85AwVick9++6izxnw5SpqRjPx-jrLC0+BJCfRht4qMEM8vbA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1365249700.25684.12.camel@quartz.geode.org.uk>
	<CAF85AwUefLC-m7-+m=ikFf0iSyEDBkPKcpWofNYkzDtXUu_uWg@mail.gmail.com>
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Hello again,

I've produced the next batch of logos.  They're all variations on the
"Hackspace H" design, as that seems to be the most popular.

Find them here: https://sucs.org/~tlloyd87/hackspace/r2/

Of particular interest may be a design loosely based on the Welsh flag, a
copper-themed one, and an experimental design incorporating the outline of
a swan.  Thanks to Neil for these ideas.  The rest are all the same, just
with different colour combinations.

Again, these are all work-in-progress, so please let me know what you
think!  The more opinions I hear, the better the finished logo will
represent the group.

All the best,
Tom :)


On 7 April 2013 13:59, Tom Lloyd <napalmllama at gmail.com> wrote:

> That is helpful, thankyou.  I'll have a play with those ideas and see what
> happens.  The idea of a red H on a green/white background had occurred to
> me - although I'd feel a bit funny about designing it, as I'm English :)  I
> think if we wanted to, we could take a Welsh flag inspired design for our
> own, as Cardiff haven't and I don't think there any other Welsh cities big
> enough to support a hackspace.  Carpe draco, if you will.
>
> I've got a big page of corporate logo designs open in a tab somewhere that
> I was going to look at for inspiration, so I'll add the Copper Quarter
> stuff to that.
>
> Thanks for your input, you've given me a bit to think about :)
>
> -- Tom
>
>
> On 7 April 2013 08:01, Carter N. <N.Carter at swansea.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>> Hi Tom,
>>
>>
>>
>> >When I was brainstorming ideas I tried to think of
>> > something that would say "Swansea", but nothing came to mind.
>>
>> Thanks for your enthusiastic and talented efforts in this. Contrary to
>> your comment that nothing came to mind, I notice that you have the outline
>> of a swan on your mood board! My impression was that the curve of the
>> soldering iron cable and/or that of the claw hammer might be adapted into a
>> swan neck (don't ask me how to do that; I'm useless at graphical design
>> ;-). You obvously have an ability for this sort of thing, so I'll leave
>> this thought in your capable mind :-)
>>
>> Not sure if featuring Wales (dragon, green and white horizontal stripes
>> with red foreground) would be specific enough.
>>
>> Hmm, come to think of it, there's a major urban restoration project going
>> on just north of the city, relating to the old copper works that were
>> there. "Cu Swansea" I think it's called. Given copper's fundamental link
>> with hacking, one might find inspiration in the restoration project's
>> artwork and materials.
>>
>> I hope this is helpful.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Neil
>>
>>
>
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From paul at harwood-leon.com  Mon Apr  8 08:31:16 2013
From: paul at harwood-leon.com (Paul Harwood)
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 08:31:16 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Logos
In-Reply-To: <CAF85AwXy35TGhVWvtUYVPcffHCEoduK1gai8_xCjdgy44nqdvw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAF85AwVick9++6izxnw5SpqRjPx-jrLC0+BJCfRht4qMEM8vbA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1365249700.25684.12.camel@quartz.geode.org.uk>
	<CAF85AwUefLC-m7-+m=ikFf0iSyEDBkPKcpWofNYkzDtXUu_uWg@mail.gmail.com>
	<9F7FA2E0294A934CA0CD9E97BD580F8411DD9448@CCS-EXCHANGE1.brynmill.swan.ac.uk>
	<CAF85AwUL2WpV4rbc9R_sNsPrYALPFhjgRMSe5oM=gJgxzJ2Ofw@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Tom 

https://sucs.org/~tlloyd87/hackspace/r2/swan-concept.png

I think this one is great! They are all really good. Personally, I think logos that are too literal leave to little to the imagination and can be uninspiring (although there is a reasonable limit to that), so for me the style of the logo above is lovely.

One word of caution though, with all the designs is that they may lose their detail and impact once shrunk down to a letterhead or leaflet size or as a twitter logo.

A good test is always to put it up against other well recognised and/or competing logos on the same page. That way you can see how well it would stand out.

Cheers

Paul

Sent from my iPad

On 7 Apr 2013, at 18:06, Tom Lloyd <napalmllama at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello again,
> 
> I've produced the next batch of logos.  They're all variations on the "Hackspace H" design, as that seems to be the most popular.
> 
> Find them here: https://sucs.org/~tlloyd87/hackspace/r2/
> 
> Of particular interest may be a design loosely based on the Welsh flag, a copper-themed one, and an experimental design incorporating the outline of a swan.  Thanks to Neil for these ideas.  The rest are all the same, just with different colour combinations.
> 
> Again, these are all work-in-progress, so please let me know what you think!  The more opinions I hear, the better the finished logo will represent the group.
> 
> All the best,
> Tom :)
> 
> 
> On 7 April 2013 13:59, Tom Lloyd <napalmllama at gmail.com> wrote:
>> That is helpful, thankyou.  I'll have a play with those ideas and see what happens.  The idea of a red H on a green/white background had occurred to me - although I'd feel a bit funny about designing it, as I'm English :)  I think if we wanted to, we could take a Welsh flag inspired design for our own, as Cardiff haven't and I don't think there any other Welsh cities big enough to support a hackspace.  Carpe draco, if you will.
>> 
>> I've got a big page of corporate logo designs open in a tab somewhere that I was going to look at for inspiration, so I'll add the Copper Quarter stuff to that.
>> 
>> Thanks for your input, you've given me a bit to think about :)
>> 
>> -- Tom
>> 
>> 
>> On 7 April 2013 08:01, Carter N. <N.Carter at swansea.ac.uk> wrote:
>>> Hi Tom,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> >When I was brainstorming ideas I tried to think of
>>> > something that would say "Swansea", but nothing came to mind. 
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your enthusiastic and talented efforts in this. Contrary to your comment that nothing came to mind, I notice that you have the outline of a swan on your mood board! My impression was that the curve of the soldering iron cable and/or that of the claw hammer might be adapted into a swan neck (don't ask me how to do that; I'm useless at graphical design ;-). You obvously have an ability for this sort of thing, so I'll leave this thought in your capable mind :-)
>>> 
>>> Not sure if featuring Wales (dragon, green and white horizontal stripes with red foreground) would be specific enough.
>>> 
>>> Hmm, come to think of it, there's a major urban restoration project going on just north of the city, relating to the old copper works that were there. "Cu Swansea" I think it's called. Given copper's fundamental link with hacking, one might find inspiration in the restoration project's artwork and materials.
>>> 
>>> I hope this is helpful.
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Neil
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Hackspace mailing list
> Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
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From justin at discordia.org.uk  Mon Apr  8 12:28:03 2013
From: justin at discordia.org.uk (Justin Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 12:28:03 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Logos
In-Reply-To: <CAF85AwXy35TGhVWvtUYVPcffHCEoduK1gai8_xCjdgy44nqdvw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAF85AwVick9++6izxnw5SpqRjPx-jrLC0+BJCfRht4qMEM8vbA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1365249700.25684.12.camel@quartz.geode.org.uk>
	<CAF85AwUefLC-m7-+m=ikFf0iSyEDBkPKcpWofNYkzDtXUu_uWg@mail.gmail.com>
	<9F7FA2E0294A934CA0CD9E97BD580F8411DD9448@CCS-EXCHANGE1.brynmill.swan.ac.uk>
	<CAF85AwUL2WpV4rbc9R_sNsPrYALPFhjgRMSe5oM=gJgxzJ2Ofw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1365420483.8248.13.camel@justin.llw.rokcorp.com>

On Sun, 2013-04-07 at 18:06 +0100, Tom Lloyd wrote:
> Hello again,
> 
> 
> I've produced the next batch of logos.  They're all variations on the
> "Hackspace H" design, as that seems to be the most popular.
> 
> Find them here: https://sucs.org/~tlloyd87/hackspace/r2/
> 
> 
> Of particular interest may be a design loosely based on the Welsh
> flag, a copper-themed one, and an experimental design incorporating
> the outline of a swan.  Thanks to Neil for these ideas.  The rest are
> all the same, just with different colour combinations.

I'm not especially patriotic, but i kinda like the green/white
background, but i think it will need a border around it.

I also tried to think up something copper related.

how about a copper* goggles type theme as the circle around it.

(* or should that be brass, close enough ;) 

or some kind of rivet/bolt type themed edge.

or am i getting a bit to steampunky 








From justin at discordia.org.uk  Mon Apr  8 16:56:52 2013
From: justin at discordia.org.uk (Justin Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 16:56:52 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Minutes of Introductory Meeting 2013-04-02
In-Reply-To: <54BF301B-A556-4996-9E1D-88E126212740@gmail.com>
References: <1364983008.22318.3.camel@quartz.geode.org.uk>
	<54BF301B-A556-4996-9E1D-88E126212740@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1365436612.8248.39.camel@justin.llw.rokcorp.com>

On Sun, 2013-04-07 at 15:40 +0100, Gerrit Niezen wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> With the next meeting consisting of a lightning talk session, I would like to volunteer to give a talk on:
> "Making rainbows with hardware: Experimenting with LED light strips"
> 

And i volunteered to do a talk on the micro-controller based lighting
circuit in my steampunk goggles. although i havent thought of a snazzy
title for it yet





From napalmllama at gmail.com  Mon Apr  8 17:37:40 2013
From: napalmllama at gmail.com (Tom Lloyd)
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 17:37:40 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Logos
In-Reply-To: <1365420483.8248.13.camel@justin.llw.rokcorp.com>
References: <CAF85AwVick9++6izxnw5SpqRjPx-jrLC0+BJCfRht4qMEM8vbA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1365249700.25684.12.camel@quartz.geode.org.uk>
	<CAF85AwUefLC-m7-+m=ikFf0iSyEDBkPKcpWofNYkzDtXUu_uWg@mail.gmail.com>
	<9F7FA2E0294A934CA0CD9E97BD580F8411DD9448@CCS-EXCHANGE1.brynmill.swan.ac.uk>
	<CAF85AwUL2WpV4rbc9R_sNsPrYALPFhjgRMSe5oM=gJgxzJ2Ofw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAF85AwXy35TGhVWvtUYVPcffHCEoduK1gai8_xCjdgy44nqdvw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1365420483.8248.13.camel@justin.llw.rokcorp.com>
Message-ID: <CAF85AwWGhyEhiyX7tb29ofQSfbB4mUksY9zx00xkV+qrVxeDzA@mail.gmail.com>

There's a time and a place for steam punk... and this is it :) I'll have a
go later if I have time.  I'll investigate the
shrinkability/recognisability issue, too.

I will be out of the country from Thursday, and very busy tomorrow and
Wednesday - and I might have Wi-Fi on my phone, but not inkscape! I'll
produce a couple of candidates before I leave, then everyone can vote on
them. At this early stage nothing's set in stone anyway.

Re. Letterhead and flyers, I'm happy to do this when I get back two weeks
from now, but if they're needed before then then someone else will have to
do it.

All the best,
Tom
On Apr 8, 2013 12:28 PM, "Justin Mitchell" <justin at discordia.org.uk> wrote:

> On Sun, 2013-04-07 at 18:06 +0100, Tom Lloyd wrote:
> > Hello again,
> >
> >
> > I've produced the next batch of logos.  They're all variations on the
> > "Hackspace H" design, as that seems to be the most popular.
> >
> > Find them here: https://sucs.org/~tlloyd87/hackspace/r2/
> >
> >
> > Of particular interest may be a design loosely based on the Welsh
> > flag, a copper-themed one, and an experimental design incorporating
> > the outline of a swan.  Thanks to Neil for these ideas.  The rest are
> > all the same, just with different colour combinations.
>
> I'm not especially patriotic, but i kinda like the green/white
> background, but i think it will need a border around it.
>
> I also tried to think up something copper related.
>
> how about a copper* goggles type theme as the circle around it.
>
> (* or should that be brass, close enough ;)
>
> or some kind of rivet/bolt type themed edge.
>
> or am i getting a bit to steampunky
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Hackspace mailing list
> Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
>
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From napalmllama at gmail.com  Mon Apr  8 17:41:05 2013
From: napalmllama at gmail.com (Tom Lloyd)
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 17:41:05 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Minutes of Introductory Meeting 2013-04-02
In-Reply-To: <1365436612.8248.39.camel@justin.llw.rokcorp.com>
References: <1364983008.22318.3.camel@quartz.geode.org.uk>
	<54BF301B-A556-4996-9E1D-88E126212740@gmail.com>
	<1365436612.8248.39.camel@justin.llw.rokcorp.com>
Message-ID: <CAF85AwU-kD12yuyt+Lh1_DDEjn9koJCC6Ug3CbWVZGQrtpXNLg@mail.gmail.com>

"Steam punk micro light" would attract some attention... although it might
be a bit misleading
On Apr 8, 2013 4:57 PM, "Justin Mitchell" <justin at discordia.org.uk> wrote:

> On Sun, 2013-04-07 at 15:40 +0100, Gerrit Niezen wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > With the next meeting consisting of a lightning talk session, I would
> like to volunteer to give a talk on:
> > "Making rainbows with hardware: Experimenting with LED light strips"
> >
>
> And i volunteered to do a talk on the micro-controller based lighting
> circuit in my steampunk goggles. although i havent thought of a snazzy
> title for it yet
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Hackspace mailing list
> Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
>
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From napalmllama at gmail.com  Mon Apr  8 23:00:14 2013
From: napalmllama at gmail.com (Tom Lloyd)
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 23:00:14 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Logo Vote
Message-ID: <CAF85AwWOdj8g1CxiZz3Z+p_unr10ygj=JHUhP2rm81bCbk-Kpw@mail.gmail.com>

Good evening!

The time has come to choose a logo.

There are 3 options:
 - Something like this:
https://sucs.org/~tlloyd87/hackspace/r2/newh-red-white.png
 - Something like this:
https://sucs.org/~tlloyd87/hackspace/r2/swan-concept.png
 - Something else

Make your choice here:
http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=51633615e4b090005f2cfd20

Please ignore the colours for now - all I want to know is which design to
focus on.  When we have a winner, I'll tweak it and polish it and deck it
out in all different colours, then open a second poll so we can all decide
which colours to use.

Cheers,
Tom
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From napalmllama at gmail.com  Tue Apr  9 21:46:07 2013
From: napalmllama at gmail.com (Tom Lloyd)
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 21:46:07 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Logo Vote
In-Reply-To: <CAF85AwWOdj8g1CxiZz3Z+p_unr10ygj=JHUhP2rm81bCbk-Kpw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAF85AwWOdj8g1CxiZz3Z+p_unr10ygj=JHUhP2rm81bCbk-Kpw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAF85AwXjY-OOmmRSuXxe4-dOLekDAuSPzdXCRJabq9QP_42PXA@mail.gmail.com>

Just a quick follow up - it looks like the original H is the most popular
so far, with more than half of the vote.

A few people are voting for "none of the above."  I invite you to contact
me (off-list if you prefer) with any concerns you have about the candidate
designs, and I'll listen and see what I can do.  I might not be able to
please everyone, but I'm definitely going to try :)

-- Tom


On 8 April 2013 23:00, Tom Lloyd <napalmllama at gmail.com> wrote:

> Good evening!
>
> The time has come to choose a logo.
>
> There are 3 options:
>  - Something like this:
> https://sucs.org/~tlloyd87/hackspace/r2/newh-red-white.png
>  - Something like this:
> https://sucs.org/~tlloyd87/hackspace/r2/swan-concept.png
>  - Something else
>
> Make your choice here:
> http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=51633615e4b090005f2cfd20
>
> Please ignore the colours for now - all I want to know is which design to
> focus on.  When we have a winner, I'll tweak it and polish it and deck it
> out in all different colours, then open a second poll so we can all decide
> which colours to use.
>
> Cheers,
> Tom
>
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From justin at discordia.org.uk  Sun Apr 14 20:50:21 2013
From: justin at discordia.org.uk (Justin Mitchell)
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 20:50:21 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Logos
Message-ID: <1365969021.29278.4.camel@quartz.geode.org.uk>

I dont want to harp on for too long about logo choices,
Tom Lloyd has provided some good inspiration, and others have
contributed their ideas.

I have pulled together a shortlist of designs for you to vote on, unless
there is any major objections we will run with one of these for the time
being.

So please, take a quick look and vote accordingly

https://sucs.org/~arthur/hackspace/






From ceri.clatworthy at gmail.com  Sun Apr 14 20:56:20 2013
From: ceri.clatworthy at gmail.com (ceri clatworthy)
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 20:56:20 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Cardiff Hacker space Expo
In-Reply-To: <CAO=DJn_2wTeUeQ145xeh4K=gHaSCf_qqKEYqVSDNizghA7jVLg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO=DJn_2wTeUeQ145xeh4K=gHaSCf_qqKEYqVSDNizghA7jVLg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAO=DJn-WpOvyoJFsooG-dECisHJpND6iq1UvxPmEhCVtzAXX3g@mail.gmail.com>

Does anybody know if there's going to be an expo or some kind of... Look at
us...  Event on the 20 -21?
I recall it being mentioned in our first meating, but I can't find any info
on there website!

Cheers
Ceri
On Apr 14, 2013 8:50 PM, "Justin Mitchell" <justin at discordia.org.uk> wrote:
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From alan at lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk  Sun Apr 14 21:15:15 2013
From: alan at lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk (Alan Cox)
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 21:15:15 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Logos
In-Reply-To: <1365969021.29278.4.camel@quartz.geode.org.uk>
References: <1365969021.29278.4.camel@quartz.geode.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20130414211515.6ef8505c@www.etchedpixels.co.uk>

On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 20:50:21 +0100
Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk> wrote:

> I dont want to harp on for too long about logo choices,
> Tom Lloyd has provided some good inspiration, and others have
> contributed their ideas.
> 
> I have pulled together a shortlist of designs for you to vote on, unless
> there is any major objections we will run with one of these for the time
> being.
> 
> So please, take a quick look and vote accordingly
> 
> https://sucs.org/~arthur/hackspace/

Done although I'd prefer B with the copper rim of A ;-)



From welshbyte at sucs.org  Sun Apr 14 21:45:52 2013
From: welshbyte at sucs.org (Andrew Price)
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 21:45:52 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Logos
In-Reply-To: <20130414211515.6ef8505c@www.etchedpixels.co.uk>
References: <1365969021.29278.4.camel@quartz.geode.org.uk>
	<20130414211515.6ef8505c@www.etchedpixels.co.uk>
Message-ID: <516B1580.8030005@sucs.org>

On 14/04/13 21:15, Alan Cox wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 20:50:21 +0100
> Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> I dont want to harp on for too long about logo choices,
>> Tom Lloyd has provided some good inspiration, and others have
>> contributed their ideas.
>>
>> I have pulled together a shortlist of designs for you to vote on, unless
>> there is any major objections we will run with one of these for the time
>> being.
>>
>> So please, take a quick look and vote accordingly
>>
>> https://sucs.org/~arthur/hackspace/
>
> Done although I'd prefer B with the copper rim of A ;-)

I'm no graphic design expert but I'm concerned that logos with 
gradients/textures would not print well or cheaply onto non-digital 
media (t-shirts, letterheads, glass transfers, etc.)

Andy



From neil at nwjones.demon.co.uk  Sun Apr 14 23:03:04 2013
From: neil at nwjones.demon.co.uk (Neil Jones)
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 23:03:04 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Logos
In-Reply-To: <516B1580.8030005@sucs.org>
References: <1365969021.29278.4.camel@quartz.geode.org.uk>
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On 14/04/2013 21:45, Andrew Price wrote:
> On 14/04/13 21:15, Alan Cox wrote:
>> On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 20:50:21 +0100
>> Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> I dont want to harp on for too long about logo choices,
>>> Tom Lloyd has provided some good inspiration, and others have
>>> contributed their ideas.
>>>
>>> I have pulled together a shortlist of designs for you to vote on, 
>>> unless
>>> there is any major objections we will run with one of these for the 
>>> time
>>> being.
>>>
>>> So please, take a quick look and vote accordingly
>>>
>>> https://sucs.org/~arthur/hackspace/
>>
>> Done although I'd prefer B with the copper rim of A ;-)
>
> I'm no graphic design expert but I'm concerned that logos with 
> gradients/textures would not print well or cheaply onto non-digital 
> media (t-shirts, letterheads, glass transfers, etc.)
>
> Andy

You took the words out of my mouth. It used to be that ll logos needed 
to look OK in black and white, with the advent of colour printers this 
is less of a problem, but the question of using it on other media still 
exists.

Neil

>
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From gerrit.niezen at gmail.com  Mon Apr 15 09:15:53 2013
From: gerrit.niezen at gmail.com (Gerrit Niezen)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 09:15:53 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Lighting talks meeting - 22 April
Message-ID: <540AB85A-155C-41D4-B00B-84D4A68479D3@gmail.com>

Hi all,

Tim has booked us a venue on the university campus for the meeting next week Monday. The evening will consist of 10 minute lighting talks, and we still need some volunteers. So far we have Justin giving a talk on the micro-controller based lighting circuit in his steampunk goggles, and I'll give a talk on "Making rainbows with hardware: Getting started with LED light strips". 

The Marino Room in Fulton House is booked from 7pm to 9:30pm, and the directions are as follows:
"The Marino Room is on the Mezzanine level of Fulton House, in a run of three function rooms. If you enter from the main entrance, turn left, past the open cafeteria, turn right at the end, past the shops, and up the stairs two levels at the end of the corridor. You emerge on a balcony overlooking the main refectory, all the way along past the Castle Room and the Gower Room, the Marino Room is the last in the line.

There is a (non-permanent) data projector with free-standing screen in the room for those of us who will be presenting slides. Please join us and bring others who might be interested - the venue seats 25 people, so let's try to double the amount of people who attended the first meeting! ;)

Kind regards,
Gerrit


From N.Carter at swansea.ac.uk  Mon Apr 15 09:26:52 2013
From: N.Carter at swansea.ac.uk (Carter N.)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 09:26:52 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Logos
In-Reply-To: <20130414211515.6ef8505c@www.etchedpixels.co.uk>
References: <1365969021.29278.4.camel@quartz.geode.org.uk>
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> Done although I'd prefer B with the copper rim of A ;-)

Agreed!

Neil.



From napalmllama at gmail.com  Mon Apr 15 11:29:02 2013
From: napalmllama at gmail.com (Tom Lloyd)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 11:29:02 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Logos
In-Reply-To: <9F7FA2E0294A934CA0CD9E97BD580F840FF94DEC@CCS-EXCHANGE1.brynmill.swan.ac.uk>
References: <1365969021.29278.4.camel@quartz.geode.org.uk>
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I think it's best that we choose a simple design. We can embellish it with
other details later if need be, depending on what we're using it for.

Having said that, another vote here for B+A as the most pleasing design.
> Done although I'd prefer B with the copper rim of A ;-)

Agreed!

Neil.

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From justin at discordia.org.uk  Mon Apr 15 12:16:02 2013
From: justin at discordia.org.uk (Justin Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 12:16:02 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Logos
In-Reply-To: <CAF85AwUCBkhjrjrw4TvcfiA++9u-42WiXfGoN1dTJnxe=q+SQw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1365969021.29278.4.camel@quartz.geode.org.uk>
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Message-ID: <1366024562.28464.8.camel@justin.llw.rokcorp.com>

On Mon, 2013-04-15 at 11:29 +0100, Tom Lloyd wrote:
> I think it's best that we choose a simple design. We can embellish it
> with other details later if need be, depending on what we're using it
> for.
> 
> Having said that, another vote here for B+A as the most pleasing
> design.
> 
> > Done although I'd prefer B with the copper rim of A ;-)

I had already produced B+A, but didn't include it as i wanted there to
be more differences between A and B

For simplicity, the colour gradient will collapse to a single spot
colour easily enough, the gradient isn't essential, its just a nice
touch. (unlike C)

So many print processes are full colour these days, from big banners to
cheap business cards.

In the kind of places that single spot colours are required we might
even be able to replace it with a metallic paint, or pressed foil.

Also included as 'small' are 64x64 pixel renderings as used for logos on
twitter et al, to make sure they are okay when scaled down.





From dancraggs at gmail.com  Mon Apr 15 14:08:54 2013
From: dancraggs at gmail.com (Dan Craggs)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 14:08:54 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Logos
In-Reply-To: <1366024562.28464.8.camel@justin.llw.rokcorp.com>
References: <1365969021.29278.4.camel@quartz.geode.org.uk>
	<20130414211515.6ef8505c@www.etchedpixels.co.uk>
	<9F7FA2E0294A934CA0CD9E97BD580F840FF94DEC@CCS-EXCHANGE1.brynmill.swan.ac.uk>
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Just jumped on into this conversation quite late. The copper ring on A,
unfortunately, looks a little tacky.

Just thought I'd rock the boat there ;-)


On 15 April 2013 12:16, Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk> wrote:

> On Mon, 2013-04-15 at 11:29 +0100, Tom Lloyd wrote:
> > I think it's best that we choose a simple design. We can embellish it
> > with other details later if need be, depending on what we're using it
> > for.
> >
> > Having said that, another vote here for B+A as the most pleasing
> > design.
> >
> > > Done although I'd prefer B with the copper rim of A ;-)
>
> I had already produced B+A, but didn't include it as i wanted there to
> be more differences between A and B
>
> For simplicity, the colour gradient will collapse to a single spot
> colour easily enough, the gradient isn't essential, its just a nice
> touch. (unlike C)
>
> So many print processes are full colour these days, from big banners to
> cheap business cards.
>
> In the kind of places that single spot colours are required we might
> even be able to replace it with a metallic paint, or pressed foil.
>
> Also included as 'small' are 64x64 pixel renderings as used for logos on
> twitter et al, to make sure they are okay when scaled down.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
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>



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From napalmllama at gmail.com  Mon Apr 15 14:26:11 2013
From: napalmllama at gmail.com (Tom Lloyd)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 14:26:11 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Logos
In-Reply-To: <1366024562.28464.8.camel@justin.llw.rokcorp.com>
References: <1365969021.29278.4.camel@quartz.geode.org.uk>
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	<9F7FA2E0294A934CA0CD9E97BD580F840FF94DEC@CCS-EXCHANGE1.brynmill.swan.ac.uk>
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I guess my point is we can replace it with anything - colours and textures
aren't too important, as long as the overall design is still recognisable.

On Apr 15, 2013 1:16 PM, "Justin Mitchell" <justin at discordia.org.uk> wrote:
> So many print processes are full colour these days, from big banners to
> cheap business cards.
>
> In the kind of places that single spot colours are required we might
> even be able to replace it with a metallic paint, or pressed foil.
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From paul at harwood-leon.com  Mon Apr 15 15:05:08 2013
From: paul at harwood-leon.com (Paul Harwood)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 15:05:08 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Logos
In-Reply-To: <CAF85AwWj8DNOFHUto-XfX7ViYg7aLZfyVyaeGSyzqmyLnHfN6w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1365969021.29278.4.camel@quartz.geode.org.uk>
	<20130414211515.6ef8505c@www.etchedpixels.co.uk>
	<9F7FA2E0294A934CA0CD9E97BD580F840FF94DEC@CCS-EXCHANGE1.brynmill.swan.ac.uk>
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	<1366024562.28464.8.camel@justin.llw.rokcorp.com>
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Message-ID: <679879E5-A6B1-40A6-AB5B-B2F5C1529AEC@harwood-leon.com>

I had a 3d printed version of that logo in my head (as it seems to be relevant),

so I thought I would spend a few minutes developing the idea... 

http://harwood-leon.com/swansea-hackspace/swansea-hackspace-idea.svg

What do you think?

-- Paul

On 15 Apr 2013, at 14:26, Tom Lloyd <napalmllama at gmail.com> wrote:

> I guess my point is we can replace it with anything - colours and textures aren't too important, as long as the overall design is still recognisable.
> 
> On Apr 15, 2013 1:16 PM, "Justin Mitchell" <justin at discordia.org.uk> wrote:
> > So many print processes are full colour these days, from big banners to
> > cheap business cards.
> >
> > In the kind of places that single spot colours are required we might
> > even be able to replace it with a metallic paint, or pressed foil.
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
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From paul at harwood-leon.com  Mon Apr 15 15:44:12 2013
From: paul at harwood-leon.com (Paul Harwood)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 15:44:12 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Logos
In-Reply-To: <679879E5-A6B1-40A6-AB5B-B2F5C1529AEC@harwood-leon.com>
References: <1365969021.29278.4.camel@quartz.geode.org.uk>
	<20130414211515.6ef8505c@www.etchedpixels.co.uk>
	<9F7FA2E0294A934CA0CD9E97BD580F840FF94DEC@CCS-EXCHANGE1.brynmill.swan.ac.uk>
	<CAF85AwUCBkhjrjrw4TvcfiA++9u-42WiXfGoN1dTJnxe=q+SQw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1366024562.28464.8.camel@justin.llw.rokcorp.com>
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and a copper one...

http://harwood-leon.com/swansea-hackspace/swansea-hackspace-idea-copper.svg

Apologies if I am just muddying the matter... i'll stop now 

-- Paul

On 15 Apr 2013, at 15:05, Paul Harwood <paul at harwood-leon.com> wrote:

> I had a 3d printed version of that logo in my head (as it seems to be relevant),
> 
> so I thought I would spend a few minutes developing the idea... 
> 
> http://harwood-leon.com/swansea-hackspace/swansea-hackspace-idea.svg
> 
> What do you think?
> 
> -- Paul
> 
> On 15 Apr 2013, at 14:26, Tom Lloyd <napalmllama at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I guess my point is we can replace it with anything - colours and textures aren't too important, as long as the overall design is still recognisable.
>> 
>> On Apr 15, 2013 1:16 PM, "Justin Mitchell" <justin at discordia.org.uk> wrote:
>> > So many print processes are full colour these days, from big banners to
>> > cheap business cards.
>> >
>> > In the kind of places that single spot colours are required we might
>> > even be able to replace it with a metallic paint, or pressed foil.
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Hackspace mailing list
>> Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From justin at discordia.org.uk  Mon Apr 15 16:51:34 2013
From: justin at discordia.org.uk (Justin Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 16:51:34 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Logos
In-Reply-To: <679879E5-A6B1-40A6-AB5B-B2F5C1529AEC@harwood-leon.com>
References: <1365969021.29278.4.camel@quartz.geode.org.uk>
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On Mon, 2013-04-15 at 15:05 +0100, Paul Harwood wrote:
> I had a 3d printed version of that logo in my head (as it seems to be
> relevant),
> 
> 
> so I thought I would spend a few minutes developing the idea... 
> 
> 
> http://harwood-leon.com/swansea-hackspace/swansea-hackspace-idea.svg
> 
> 
> What do you think?
> 


istr that early on someone pointed out that text in a logo is a bad
idea, it doesn't scale well, and well... translations, need i say more.
 







From justin at discordia.org.uk  Mon Apr 15 17:08:00 2013
From: justin at discordia.org.uk (Justin Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 17:08:00 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Cardiff Hacker space Expo
In-Reply-To: <CAO=DJn-WpOvyoJFsooG-dECisHJpND6iq1UvxPmEhCVtzAXX3g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO=DJn_2wTeUeQ145xeh4K=gHaSCf_qqKEYqVSDNizghA7jVLg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAO=DJn-WpOvyoJFsooG-dECisHJpND6iq1UvxPmEhCVtzAXX3g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1366042080.28464.41.camel@justin.llw.rokcorp.com>

On Sun, 2013-04-14 at 20:56 +0100, ceri clatworthy wrote:
> Does anybody know if there's going to be an expo or some kind of...
> Look at us...  Event on the 20 -21? 
> I recall it being mentioned in our first meating, but I can't find any
> info on there website! 

I can't find any reference on the cardiff hackspace website, mailing
list or twitter account, so was it some other group ?






From tswsl1989 at sucs.org  Mon Apr 15 17:18:29 2013
From: tswsl1989 at sucs.org (Tom Lake)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 17:18:29 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Cardiff Hacker space Expo
In-Reply-To: <1366042080.28464.41.camel@justin.llw.rokcorp.com>
References: <CAO=DJn_2wTeUeQ145xeh4K=gHaSCf_qqKEYqVSDNizghA7jVLg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAO=DJn-WpOvyoJFsooG-dECisHJpND6iq1UvxPmEhCVtzAXX3g@mail.gmail.com>
	<1366042080.28464.41.camel@justin.llw.rokcorp.com>
Message-ID: <516C2855.4010904@sucs.org>

I mentioned this event: http://www.cs.cf.ac.uk/hackathon/
Not associated with the hackspace,but thought people might be interested.

- Tom



From paul at harwood-leon.com  Tue Apr 16 10:28:19 2013
From: paul at harwood-leon.com (Paul Harwood)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 10:28:19 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Logos
In-Reply-To: <1366041094.28464.37.camel@justin.llw.rokcorp.com>
References: <1365969021.29278.4.camel@quartz.geode.org.uk>
	<20130414211515.6ef8505c@www.etchedpixels.co.uk>
	<9F7FA2E0294A934CA0CD9E97BD580F840FF94DEC@CCS-EXCHANGE1.brynmill.swan.ac.uk>
	<CAF85AwUCBkhjrjrw4TvcfiA++9u-42WiXfGoN1dTJnxe=q+SQw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1366024562.28464.8.camel@justin.llw.rokcorp.com>
	<CAF85AwWj8DNOFHUto-XfX7ViYg7aLZfyVyaeGSyzqmyLnHfN6w@mail.gmail.com>
	<679879E5-A6B1-40A6-AB5B-B2F5C1529AEC@harwood-leon.com>
	<1366041094.28464.37.camel@justin.llw.rokcorp.com>
Message-ID: <72958113-06C6-4119-8120-E64667F20D6E@harwood-leon.com>

Yes, perhaps the text is a bad idea, bit naff. 

I did think that a 3d representation would suit the ideals of the group though.

What is Welsh for Hackspace anyway? Would it translate?

-- Paul

On 15 Apr 2013, at 16:51, Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk> wrote:

> istr that early on someone pointed out that text in a logo is a bad
> idea, it doesn't scale well, and well... translations, need i say more.

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From timmoore47 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 16 12:17:51 2013
From: timmoore47 at gmail.com (Tim Moore)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 12:17:51 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 4, Issue 12
In-Reply-To: <201304161100.r3GB04hS018371@stoneship.org.uk>
References: <201304161100.r3GB04hS018371@stoneship.org.uk>
Message-ID: <CAAEY5oNHVV=U24VKwY7Rgv36PxF0RXUBtP2mJ7roVeLML1fY+w@mail.gmail.com>

As an invitation to anyone who knows nothing about hackspace but needs it,
and who lives within a getatable distance of Swansea,

Its a ZERO without Swansea & Abertawe being immediately below the LOGO.

So as a PR tool it must have that bit included.

As Hackspace Swansea needs all the Publicity possible, IMHO its a bit of a
no-brainer.

:  )

Tim_1

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> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 17:18:29 +0100
> From: Tom Lake <tswsl1989 at sucs.org>
> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Cardiff Hacker space Expo
> To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> Message-ID: <516C2855.4010904 at sucs.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> I mentioned this event: http://www.cs.cf.ac.uk/hackathon/
> Not associated with the hackspace,but thought people might be interested.
>
> - Tom
>
>
>
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> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Logos
> To: Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk>
> Cc: "hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk"
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> Yes, perhaps the text is a bad idea, bit naff.
>
> I did think that a 3d representation would suit the ideals of the group
> though.
>
> What is Welsh for Hackspace anyway? Would it translate?
>
> -- Paul
>
> On 15 Apr 2013, at 16:51, Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk> wrote:
>
> > istr that early on someone pointed out that text in a logo is a bad
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From alan at lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk  Tue Apr 16 13:58:41 2013
From: alan at lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk (Alan Cox)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 13:58:41 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 4, Issue 12
In-Reply-To: <CAAEY5oNHVV=U24VKwY7Rgv36PxF0RXUBtP2mJ7roVeLML1fY+w@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 12:17:51 +0100
Tim Moore <timmoore47 at gmail.com> wrote:

> As an invitation to anyone who knows nothing about hackspace but needs it,
> and who lives within a getatable distance of Swansea,
> 
> Its a ZERO without Swansea & Abertawe being immediately below the LOGO.
> 
> So as a PR tool it must have that bit included.
> 
> As Hackspace Swansea needs all the Publicity possible, IMHO its a bit of a
> no-brainer.

Thats not the purpose of a logo. Even with Swansea on it it's useless as
a logo.

Alan



From alan at lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk  Tue Apr 16 13:59:36 2013
From: alan at lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk (Alan Cox)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 13:59:36 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 4, Issue 12
In-Reply-To: <CAAEY5oNHVV=U24VKwY7Rgv36PxF0RXUBtP2mJ7roVeLML1fY+w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201304161100.r3GB04hS018371@stoneship.org.uk>
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(Useless as a logo which tells people what the hackspace is that is...)

It's the logo + intro + website that does that.

Alan






From napalmllama at gmail.com  Wed Apr 17 09:35:35 2013
From: napalmllama at gmail.com (Tom Lloyd)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 09:35:35 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 4, Issue 12
In-Reply-To: <20130416135936.0295eb47@www.etchedpixels.co.uk>
References: <201304161100.r3GB04hS018371@stoneship.org.uk>
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Most logos have associated text which can be included or not, depending on
the situation. For formal stuff and publicity we can have a version that
says Swansea; for iconography perhaps we don't need that.

Does anybody have access to a lot of fonts, by the way? The ones on my pc
are a bit limited (choices are mostly either novelty or boring).

-- Tom
On Apr 16, 2013 2:59 PM, "Alan Cox" <alan at lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> wrote:

>
> (Useless as a logo which tells people what the hackspace is that is...)
>
> It's the logo + intro + website that does that.
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
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From napalmllama at gmail.com  Wed Apr 17 09:45:23 2013
From: napalmllama at gmail.com (Tom Lloyd)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 09:45:23 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Logos
In-Reply-To: <72958113-06C6-4119-8120-E64667F20D6E@harwood-leon.com>
References: <1365969021.29278.4.camel@quartz.geode.org.uk>
	<20130414211515.6ef8505c@www.etchedpixels.co.uk>
	<9F7FA2E0294A934CA0CD9E97BD580F840FF94DEC@CCS-EXCHANGE1.brynmill.swan.ac.uk>
	<CAF85AwUCBkhjrjrw4TvcfiA++9u-42WiXfGoN1dTJnxe=q+SQw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1366024562.28464.8.camel@justin.llw.rokcorp.com>
	<CAF85AwWj8DNOFHUto-XfX7ViYg7aLZfyVyaeGSyzqmyLnHfN6w@mail.gmail.com>
	<679879E5-A6B1-40A6-AB5B-B2F5C1529AEC@harwood-leon.com>
	<1366041094.28464.37.camel@justin.llw.rokcorp.com>
	<72958113-06C6-4119-8120-E64667F20D6E@harwood-leon.com>
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I'm concerned that the outline of choice A, which most people have voted
for, is identical to the basic hackspace logo. If people don't want my
hammer design that's fine, but we need something more than just a colour
scheme to distinguish us.

The Welsh flag colours seem popular so I suggest we run with it for now,
but later on we might want to tweak it slightly to make it more distinctive
in silhouette/stencil/pcb.

-- Tom
On Apr 16, 2013 11:28 AM, "Paul Harwood" <paul at harwood-leon.com> wrote:

> Yes, perhaps the text is a bad idea, bit naff.
>
> I did think that a 3d representation would suit the ideals of the group
> though.
>
> What is Welsh for Hackspace anyway? Would it translate?
>
> -- Paul
>
> On 15 Apr 2013, at 16:51, Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk> wrote:
>
> istr that early on someone pointed out that text in a logo is a bad
> idea, it doesn't scale well, and well... translations, need i say more.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Hackspace mailing list
> Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
>
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From paul at harwood-leon.com  Wed Apr 17 09:57:01 2013
From: paul at harwood-leon.com (Paul Harwood)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 09:57:01 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 4, Issue 12
In-Reply-To: <CAF85AwUEo4i2x9GfKdNpfEJi16-U2e128CwS7MfgMpSmUNXq3Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201304161100.r3GB04hS018371@stoneship.org.uk>
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Yes, you can pick anything from Google web fonts and download them. They are generally licensed well.

http://www.google.com/fonts/

-- Paul


On 17 Apr 2013, at 09:35, Tom Lloyd <napalmllama at gmail.com> wrote:

> Does anybody have access to a lot of fonts, by the way? The ones on my pc are a bit limited (choices are mostly either novelty or boring).
> 
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From justin at discordia.org.uk  Wed Apr 17 09:59:19 2013
From: justin at discordia.org.uk (Justin Mitchell)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 09:59:19 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Logo
In-Reply-To: <CAF85AwUEo4i2x9GfKdNpfEJi16-U2e128CwS7MfgMpSmUNXq3Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201304161100.r3GB04hS018371@stoneship.org.uk>
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Message-ID: <1366189159.17823.2.camel@quartz.geode.org.uk>

On Wed, 2013-04-17 at 09:35 +0100, Tom Lloyd wrote:

> Does anybody have access to a lot of fonts, by the way? The ones on my
> pc are a bit limited (choices are mostly either novelty or boring).

Lately i tend to look through Google Web Fonts first, 600+ open source
fonts.

they are pretty easy to download and stick on your machine too

http://www.google.com/fonts/







From paul at harwood-leon.com  Wed Apr 17 10:08:09 2013
From: paul at harwood-leon.com (Paul Harwood)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 10:08:09 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Logo
In-Reply-To: <1366189159.17823.2.camel@quartz.geode.org.uk>
References: <201304161100.r3GB04hS018371@stoneship.org.uk>
	<CAAEY5oNHVV=U24VKwY7Rgv36PxF0RXUBtP2mJ7roVeLML1fY+w@mail.gmail.com>
	<20130416135936.0295eb47@www.etchedpixels.co.uk>
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Ditto, i'll stop posting in the wrong thread now.

-- Paul

On 17 Apr 2013, at 09:59, Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk> wrote:

> On Wed, 2013-04-17 at 09:35 +0100, Tom Lloyd wrote:
> 
>> Does anybody have access to a lot of fonts, by the way? The ones on my
>> pc are a bit limited (choices are mostly either novelty or boring).
> 
> Lately i tend to look through Google Web Fonts first, 600+ open source
> fonts.
> 
> they are pretty easy to download and stick on your machine too
> 
> http://www.google.com/fonts/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Hackspace mailing list
> Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace




From justin at discordia.org.uk  Wed Apr 17 10:10:08 2013
From: justin at discordia.org.uk (Justin Mitchell)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 10:10:08 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Logos
In-Reply-To: <CAF85AwUEo4i2x9GfKdNpfEJi16-U2e128CwS7MfgMpSmUNXq3Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201304161100.r3GB04hS018371@stoneship.org.uk>
	<CAAEY5oNHVV=U24VKwY7Rgv36PxF0RXUBtP2mJ7roVeLML1fY+w@mail.gmail.com>
	<20130416135936.0295eb47@www.etchedpixels.co.uk>
	<CAF85AwUEo4i2x9GfKdNpfEJi16-U2e128CwS7MfgMpSmUNXq3Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1366189808.17823.10.camel@quartz.geode.org.uk>

I don't want us to get hung up on this logo thing, there are plenty of
other jobs to be doing.

As i count them:

A  : 5 votes  (was 8, but 3 people preferred A+B)
A+B: 3 votes
D  : 2 votes
B  : 1 vote
C  : 1 vote.

so, i declare that logo design A is the winner,
and we will use it for the time being. 
We can argue on an improved version at some later date.

I have reworked the website to include the logo, and organised things a
little better. Its still simplistic, but we don't have any great needs
just yet.




From napalmllama at gmail.com  Wed Apr 17 15:43:10 2013
From: napalmllama at gmail.com (Tom Lloyd)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 15:43:10 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Logos
In-Reply-To: <1366189808.17823.10.camel@quartz.geode.org.uk>
References: <201304161100.r3GB04hS018371@stoneship.org.uk>
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	<20130416135936.0295eb47@www.etchedpixels.co.uk>
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Good. Flyers in Faraday, Talbot and Vivian on Monday?

How many lightning talkers do we have?

-- Tom

On Apr 17, 2013 11:10 AM, "Justin Mitchell" <justin at discordia.org.uk> wrote:
> I don't want us to get hung up on this logo thing, there are plenty of
> other jobs to be doing.

> so, i declare that logo design A is the winner,
> and we will use it for the time being.
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From alan at lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk  Wed Apr 17 16:39:13 2013
From: alan at lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk (Alan Cox)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:39:13 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Logos
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On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 15:43:10 +0100
Tom Lloyd <napalmllama at gmail.com> wrote:

> Good. Flyers in Faraday, Talbot and Vivian on Monday?
> 


Wonder if its also worth pinging the South Wales Raspberry PI user group
given they also do stuff in and around the university ?



From gerrit.niezen at gmail.com  Wed Apr 17 16:42:30 2013
From: gerrit.niezen at gmail.com (Gerrit Niezen)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:42:30 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Logos
In-Reply-To: <CAF85AwVuA5EAs=GVmTkywN7LxwU4FnKbqK_THqqZJoRyg5ngNQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201304161100.r3GB04hS018371@stoneship.org.uk>
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Message-ID: <DB247E48-97DE-4CEE-87C7-7774F8D84A34@gmail.com>

So far I'm only aware of Justin and myself giving talks. I'm hoping there are more people on this list who will contribute?

Cheers,
Gerrit

On 17 Apr 2013, at 15:43, Tom Lloyd <napalmllama at gmail.com> wrote:

> Good. Flyers in Faraday, Talbot and Vivian on Monday?
> 
> How many lightning talkers do we have?
> 
> -- Tom
> 
> On Apr 17, 2013 11:10 AM, "Justin Mitchell" <justin at discordia.org.uk> wrote:
> > I don't want us to get hung up on this logo thing, there are plenty of
> > other jobs to be doing.
> 
> > so, i declare that logo design A is the winner,
> > and we will use it for the time being.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Hackspace mailing list
> Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace

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From neil at nwjones.demon.co.uk  Wed Apr 17 17:29:43 2013
From: neil at nwjones.demon.co.uk (Neil Jones)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 17:29:43 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Logos
In-Reply-To: <DB247E48-97DE-4CEE-87C7-7774F8D84A34@gmail.com>
References: <201304161100.r3GB04hS018371@stoneship.org.uk>
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	<20130416135936.0295eb47@www.etchedpixels.co.uk>
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	<1366189808.17823.10.camel@quartz.geode.org.uk>
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	<DB247E48-97DE-4CEE-87C7-7774F8D84A34@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <516ECDF7.1040807@nwjones.demon.co.uk>

On 17/04/2013 16:42, Gerrit Niezen wrote:
> So far I'm only aware of Justin and myself giving talks. I'm hoping 
> there are more people on this list who will contribute?
>
> Cheers,
> Gerrit

I am considering doing something. It requires a bit of thought first though.

Neil

>
> On 17 Apr 2013, at 15:43, Tom Lloyd <napalmllama at gmail.com 
> <mailto:napalmllama at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> Good. Flyers in Faraday, Talbot and Vivian on Monday?
>>
>> How many lightning talkers do we have?
>>
>> -- Tom
>>
>> On Apr 17, 2013 11:10 AM, "Justin Mitchell" <justin at discordia.org.uk 
>> <mailto:justin at discordia.org.uk>> wrote:
>> > I don't want us to get hung up on this logo thing, there are plenty of
>> > other jobs to be doing.
>>
>> > so, i declare that logo design A is the winner,
>> > and we will use it for the time being.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Hackspace mailing list
>> Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk 
>> <mailto:Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk>
>> http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Hackspace mailing list
> Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace

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From napalmllama at gmail.com  Wed Apr 17 18:53:25 2013
From: napalmllama at gmail.com (Tom Lloyd)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 18:53:25 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Logos
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References: <201304161100.r3GB04hS018371@stoneship.org.uk>
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On Apr 17, 2013 6:30 PM, "Neil Jones" <neil at nwjones.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> I am considering doing something. It requires a bit of thought first
though.

Ditto. I'll have to confirm closer to the time. (And I know it's already
close to the time.)
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From justin at discordia.org.uk  Thu Apr 18 10:13:56 2013
From: justin at discordia.org.uk (Justin Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 10:13:56 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Logos
Message-ID: <1366276436.26578.1.camel@quartz.geode.org.uk>

On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 15:43:10 +0100 
Tom Lloyd <napalmllama at gmail.com> wrote:

> Good. Flyers in Faraday, Talbot and Vivian on Monday?
> 

I have deposited a small pile of posters in the sucs room on campus,
now just waiting for some volunteers to go and stick them up.





From ceri.clatworthy at gmail.com  Sun Apr 21 19:03:45 2013
From: ceri.clatworthy at gmail.com (ceri clatworthy)
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 19:03:45 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Monday 22
Message-ID: <CAO=DJn8mb=ZCmCHST-MBY12FL_iBwOV2U+WzhDJ7T_HbM4y7bQ@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone have directions to the venue?
Never been to Swansea university.!
Cheers
Ceri
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From napalmllama at gmail.com  Sun Apr 21 19:51:24 2013
From: napalmllama at gmail.com (Tom Lloyd)
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 19:51:24 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Monday 22
In-Reply-To: <CAO=DJn8mb=ZCmCHST-MBY12FL_iBwOV2U+WzhDJ7T_HbM4y7bQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO=DJn8mb=ZCmCHST-MBY12FL_iBwOV2U+WzhDJ7T_HbM4y7bQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAF85AwWCGBLBPytU_gMxxZFPuUBmidURwZS2htntqCoZS+w1Qg@mail.gmail.com>

Google does: http://goo.gl/maps/EIqlY

Once you're on campus just drive around until you find somewhere to park.
Parking is free and entrance is unrestricted after about 5 o'clock, so that
won't be a problem.

-- Tom


On 21 April 2013 19:03, ceri clatworthy <ceri.clatworthy at gmail.com> wrote:

> Does anyone have directions to the venue?
> Never been to Swansea university.!
> Cheers
> Ceri
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
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From justin at discordia.org.uk  Sun Apr 21 19:57:02 2013
From: justin at discordia.org.uk (Justin Mitchell)
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 19:57:02 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Monday 22
In-Reply-To: <CAO=DJn8mb=ZCmCHST-MBY12FL_iBwOV2U+WzhDJ7T_HbM4y7bQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO=DJn8mb=ZCmCHST-MBY12FL_iBwOV2U+WzhDJ7T_HbM4y7bQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1366570622.15017.9.camel@emerald.geode.org.uk>

On Sun, 2013-04-21 at 19:03 +0100, ceri clatworthy wrote:
> Does anyone have directions to the venue? 
> Never been to Swansea university.! 

The university itself is easy enough to find, has its own traffic lights
off mumbles road, is well signposted etc.

If i recall the visitor car parks are to the right of the entrance as
you go in. But at this time of day you can probably park in any of the
smaller ones. try the road to the left of fulton house, taking the right
turn between the buildings, leads to a reasonably sized carpark.

Fulton House is the building directly infront of you at the top of the
entrance driveway, the lawn infront of it being a roundabout.

If you enter through the front main entrance, take a left, past the
shops, to the stairwell (and lift) at the rear of the building.
Go up to the 2nd floor. As you come off the stairs the bar is on your
right, and a small set of stairs leads down on the left. Down there is
the mezzanine level, there are three rooms, the last one is the Marino
Room.
 




From gerrit.niezen at gmail.com  Mon Apr 22 16:43:35 2013
From: gerrit.niezen at gmail.com (Gerrit Niezen)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 16:43:35 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Monday 22
In-Reply-To: <1366570622.15017.9.camel@emerald.geode.org.uk>
References: <CAO=DJn8mb=ZCmCHST-MBY12FL_iBwOV2U+WzhDJ7T_HbM4y7bQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1366570622.15017.9.camel@emerald.geode.org.uk>
Message-ID: <755498CE-80A1-4996-B201-2F71B467CD7B@gmail.com>

Dear all,

I'm looking forward to tonight's first technical meeting! I've just checked the room and there is a data projector and screen available. If you would like to give a lightning talk tonight (around 10 min. or less) and you haven't announced it on the mailing list yet, please feel free to still give your talk tonight.

Just as a reminder: we start around 7pm, Marino room in Fulton House on Swansea University campus.

Cheers,
Gerrit

On 21 Apr 2013, at 19:57, Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk> wrote:

> On Sun, 2013-04-21 at 19:03 +0100, ceri clatworthy wrote:
>> Does anyone have directions to the venue? 
>> Never been to Swansea university.! 
> 
> The university itself is easy enough to find, has its own traffic lights
> off mumbles road, is well signposted etc.
> 
> If i recall the visitor car parks are to the right of the entrance as
> you go in. But at this time of day you can probably park in any of the
> smaller ones. try the road to the left of fulton house, taking the right
> turn between the buildings, leads to a reasonably sized carpark.
> 
> Fulton House is the building directly infront of you at the top of the
> entrance driveway, the lawn infront of it being a roundabout.
> 
> If you enter through the front main entrance, take a left, past the
> shops, to the stairwell (and lift) at the rear of the building.
> Go up to the 2nd floor. As you come off the stairs the bar is on your
> right, and a small set of stairs leads down on the left. Down there is
> the mezzanine level, there are three rooms, the last one is the Marino
> Room.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Hackspace mailing list
> Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace




From paul at harwood-leon.com  Mon Apr 22 18:39:41 2013
From: paul at harwood-leon.com (Paul Harwood)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 18:39:41 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Monday 22
In-Reply-To: <755498CE-80A1-4996-B201-2F71B467CD7B@gmail.com>
References: <CAO=DJn8mb=ZCmCHST-MBY12FL_iBwOV2U+WzhDJ7T_HbM4y7bQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1366570622.15017.9.camel@emerald.geode.org.uk>
	<755498CE-80A1-4996-B201-2F71B467CD7B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DD1DC351-AA12-470D-9E6C-8EE8D512942A@harwood-leon.com>

Hi Gerrit

I won't be able to make it for 7 probably. What time are you there till?

Cheers 

Paul

Sent from my iPhone

On 22 Apr 2013, at 16:43, Gerrit Niezen <gerrit.niezen at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear all,
> 
> I'm looking forward to tonight's first technical meeting! I've just checked the room and there is a data projector and screen available. If you would like to give a lightning talk tonight (around 10 min. or less) and you haven't announced it on the mailing list yet, please feel free to still give your talk tonight.
> 
> Just as a reminder: we start around 7pm, Marino room in Fulton House on Swansea University campus.
> 
> Cheers,
> Gerrit
> 
> On 21 Apr 2013, at 19:57, Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk> wrote:
> 
>> On Sun, 2013-04-21 at 19:03 +0100, ceri clatworthy wrote:
>>> Does anyone have directions to the venue? 
>>> Never been to Swansea university.! 
>> 
>> The university itself is easy enough to find, has its own traffic lights
>> off mumbles road, is well signposted etc.
>> 
>> If i recall the visitor car parks are to the right of the entrance as
>> you go in. But at this time of day you can probably park in any of the
>> smaller ones. try the road to the left of fulton house, taking the right
>> turn between the buildings, leads to a reasonably sized carpark.
>> 
>> Fulton House is the building directly infront of you at the top of the
>> entrance driveway, the lawn infront of it being a roundabout.
>> 
>> If you enter through the front main entrance, take a left, past the
>> shops, to the stairwell (and lift) at the rear of the building.
>> Go up to the 2nd floor. As you come off the stairs the bar is on your
>> right, and a small set of stairs leads down on the left. Down there is
>> the mezzanine level, there are three rooms, the last one is the Marino
>> Room.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Hackspace mailing list
>> Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Hackspace mailing list
> Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace



From paul at harwood-leon.com  Tue Apr 23 22:58:59 2013
From: paul at harwood-leon.com (Paul Harwood)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 22:58:59 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] <1 second cold linux boot
Message-ID: <FDCD52DA-7763-4693-834B-4FF40DCAF8AB@harwood-leon.com>

Hi

Saw this on another list and thought it would be of interest...

http://www.embedded-bits.co.uk/1-second-boot-machine-vision/

Cheers

-- Paul
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From napalmllama at gmail.com  Tue Apr 23 23:29:26 2013
From: napalmllama at gmail.com (Tom Lloyd)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 23:29:26 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] <1 second cold linux boot
In-Reply-To: <FDCD52DA-7763-4693-834B-4FF40DCAF8AB@harwood-leon.com>
References: <FDCD52DA-7763-4693-834B-4FF40DCAF8AB@harwood-leon.com>
Message-ID: <CAF85AwVzBZFic62txVK30wNMHszVJ5ig3yuCvR1HALpvC5yZCA@mail.gmail.com>

That's pretty cool. I set up an embedded system at work for
non-interactively displaying a web page with a slide show on it, which
takes far too long to boot when you consider what it does. 0.8 seconds is
very impressive!
On Apr 23, 2013 10:59 PM, "Paul Harwood" <paul at harwood-leon.com> wrote:

> Hi
>
> Saw this on another list and thought it would be of interest...
>
> http://www.embedded-bits.co.uk/1-second-boot-machine-vision/
>
> Cheers
>
> -- Paul
>
> _______________________________________________
> Hackspace mailing list
> Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
>
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From andy at andrewprice.me.uk  Tue Apr 23 23:38:17 2013
From: andy at andrewprice.me.uk (Andrew Price)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 23:38:17 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] <1 second cold linux boot
In-Reply-To: <FDCD52DA-7763-4693-834B-4FF40DCAF8AB@harwood-leon.com>
References: <FDCD52DA-7763-4693-834B-4FF40DCAF8AB@harwood-leon.com>
Message-ID: <51770D59.1030306@andrewprice.me.uk>

Hi Paul,

On 23/04/13 22:58, Paul Harwood wrote:
> Hi
>
> Saw this on another list and thought it would be of interest...
>
> http://www.embedded-bits.co.uk/1-second-boot-machine-vision/

I think this is a little off-topic for this list. Perhaps you'd find 
South Wales Linux User Group a more welcoming forum for these kinds of 
topics:

http://swlug.org/
http://swlug.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss

(I know, seems harsh, but if we allow general chat on the list it could 
end up drowning out the focus of getting the hackspace off the ground 
and alienate folks who aren't interested in Linux/open 
source/kittens/whatever the more vocal subgroups like to chat about.)

Cheers,
Andy



From paul at harwood-leon.com  Wed Apr 24 08:13:16 2013
From: paul at harwood-leon.com (Paul Harwood)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 08:13:16 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] <1 second cold linux boot
In-Reply-To: <51770D59.1030306@andrewprice.me.uk>
References: <FDCD52DA-7763-4693-834B-4FF40DCAF8AB@harwood-leon.com>
	<51770D59.1030306@andrewprice.me.uk>
Message-ID: <86543E55-E1AC-4FA9-9875-A92B5D3ABED7@harwood-leon.com>

Hi Andy

Maybe I misunderstood the nature of the list. 

So what topics are allowed then? I wouldn't have thought this list was topic exclusive. 

-- Paul

On 23 Apr 2013, at 23:38, Andrew Price <andy at andrewprice.me.uk> wrote:

> Hi Paul,
> 
> On 23/04/13 22:58, Paul Harwood wrote:
>> Hi
>> 
>> Saw this on another list and thought it would be of interest...
>> 
>> http://www.embedded-bits.co.uk/1-second-boot-machine-vision/
> 
> I think this is a little off-topic for this list. Perhaps you'd find South Wales Linux User Group a more welcoming forum for these kinds of topics:
> 
> http://swlug.org/
> http://swlug.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> 
> (I know, seems harsh, but if we allow general chat on the list it could end up drowning out the focus of getting the hackspace off the ground and alienate folks who aren't interested in Linux/open source/kittens/whatever the more vocal subgroups like to chat about.)
> 
> Cheers,
> Andy



From justin at discordia.org.uk  Wed Apr 24 09:47:19 2013
From: justin at discordia.org.uk (Justin Mitchell)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 09:47:19 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] <1 second cold linux boot
In-Reply-To: <FDCD52DA-7763-4693-834B-4FF40DCAF8AB@harwood-leon.com>
References: <FDCD52DA-7763-4693-834B-4FF40DCAF8AB@harwood-leon.com>
Message-ID: <1366793239.9429.4.camel@quartz.geode.org.uk>

On Tue, 2013-04-23 at 22:58 +0100, Paul Harwood wrote:
> Saw this on another list and thought it would be of interest...

> http://www.embedded-bits.co.uk/1-second-boot-machine-vision/

the tl;dr; version

"We made the application the init process to remove the need for
user-space initialization scripts"

well if your not going to actually boot an os then of course it starts
up faster, its just the kernel and a single process, nothing else.







From napalmllama at gmail.com  Wed Apr 24 10:28:19 2013
From: napalmllama at gmail.com (Tom Lloyd)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 10:28:19 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] <1 second cold linux boot
In-Reply-To: <1366793239.9429.4.camel@quartz.geode.org.uk>
References: <FDCD52DA-7763-4693-834B-4FF40DCAF8AB@harwood-leon.com>
	<1366793239.9429.4.camel@quartz.geode.org.uk>
Message-ID: <CAF85AwUn-wd1UAYBYmnCyN2pezPdpjedWJqz_orq0TWYyoBY2A@mail.gmail.com>

At this stage open chat and informal discussion is about the most essential
thing we can do: without a community of people who know one another and are
comfortable talking about shared interests we are nothing.  It's also the
single biggest thing missing from the meetings we've had so far, but
perhaps we can address that next time.

Justin, can we have two lists please: one for management and admin stuff,
and another for posts like this?  I agree that mixing the two would confuse
things, but both are equally important.

Cheers,
Tom


On 24 April 2013 09:47, Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk> wrote:

> On Tue, 2013-04-23 at 22:58 +0100, Paul Harwood wrote:
> > Saw this on another list and thought it would be of interest...
>
> > http://www.embedded-bits.co.uk/1-second-boot-machine-vision/
>
> the tl;dr; version
>
> "We made the application the init process to remove the need for
> user-space initialization scripts"
>
> well if your not going to actually boot an os then of course it starts
> up faster, its just the kernel and a single process, nothing else.
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Hackspace mailing list
> Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
>
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From paul at harwood-leon.com  Wed Apr 24 10:50:09 2013
From: paul at harwood-leon.com (Paul Harwood)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 10:50:09 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] <1 second cold linux boot
In-Reply-To: <CAF85AwUn-wd1UAYBYmnCyN2pezPdpjedWJqz_orq0TWYyoBY2A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <FDCD52DA-7763-4693-834B-4FF40DCAF8AB@harwood-leon.com>
	<1366793239.9429.4.camel@quartz.geode.org.uk>
	<CAF85AwUn-wd1UAYBYmnCyN2pezPdpjedWJqz_orq0TWYyoBY2A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C7D10547-2797-4615-8165-FBF0FCA4B3E0@harwood-leon.com>

+1 

Starting a successful community is very hard. 

Good to be right, but better to be nice (and right).

-- Paul

On 24 Apr 2013, at 10:28, Tom Lloyd <napalmllama at gmail.com> wrote:

> At this stage open chat and informal discussion is about the most essential thing we can do

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From andy at andrewprice.me.uk  Wed Apr 24 11:10:40 2013
From: andy at andrewprice.me.uk (Andrew Price)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 11:10:40 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] <1 second cold linux boot
In-Reply-To: <86543E55-E1AC-4FA9-9875-A92B5D3ABED7@harwood-leon.com>
References: <FDCD52DA-7763-4693-834B-4FF40DCAF8AB@harwood-leon.com>
	<51770D59.1030306@andrewprice.me.uk>
	<86543E55-E1AC-4FA9-9875-A92B5D3ABED7@harwood-leon.com>
Message-ID: <5177AFA0.7010401@andrewprice.me.uk>

On 24/04/13 08:13, Paul Harwood wrote:
> Hi Andy
>
> Maybe I misunderstood the nature of the list.
>
> So what topics are allowed then? I wouldn't have thought this list was topic exclusive.

Well I don't think it's really been discussed before but hopefully it'll 
become more clear once this thread has unravelled.

Tom's idea of providing a separate discussion list might be a good way 
to go and would allow those of us who receive Bags O' Mail to easily 
filter out the less important stuff.

Andy



From timmoore47 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 24 12:21:58 2013
From: timmoore47 at gmail.com (Tim Moore)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 12:21:58 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 4, Issue 18
In-Reply-To: <201304241100.r3OB041F005911@stoneship.org.uk>
References: <201304241100.r3OB041F005911@stoneship.org.uk>
Message-ID: <CAAEY5oMF=FxBOHDccmOJKU+0u6_b_difaykB+YsHQJocy9DoBg@mail.gmail.com>

Does any member have the knowledge to pop up a Forum type www site like
this :-


http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/index.php?sid=965c39f37fada4d4899c7c6d13e24f55

I've got two websites doing absolutely nothing useful , one  could be
renamed and put use and so allow keep this site to meeting and creating
hackspace, and technical chat got to the yet to be created www site.


:  )))

Tim_1


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>    5. Re: <1 second cold linux boot (Justin Mitchell)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 22:58:59 +0100
> From: Paul Harwood <paul at harwood-leon.com>
> Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] <1 second cold linux boot
> To: "hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk"
>         <hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk>
> Message-ID: <FDCD52DA-7763-4693-834B-4FF40DCAF8AB at harwood-leon.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hi
>
> Saw this on another list and thought it would be of interest...
>
> http://www.embedded-bits.co.uk/1-second-boot-machine-vision/
>
> Cheers
>
> -- Paul
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> From: Tom Lloyd <napalmllama at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] <1 second cold linux boot
> To: Paul Harwood <paul at harwood-leon.com>
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>
> That's pretty cool. I set up an embedded system at work for
> non-interactively displaying a web page with a slide show on it, which
> takes far too long to boot when you consider what it does. 0.8 seconds is
> very impressive!
> On Apr 23, 2013 10:59 PM, "Paul Harwood" <paul at harwood-leon.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi
> >
> > Saw this on another list and thought it would be of interest...
> >
> > http://www.embedded-bits.co.uk/1-second-boot-machine-vision/
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > -- Paul
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Hackspace mailing list
> > Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> > http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
> >
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> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 23:38:17 +0100
> From: Andrew Price <andy at andrewprice.me.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] <1 second cold linux boot
> To: Paul Harwood <paul at harwood-leon.com>
> Cc: "hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk"
>         <hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk>
> Message-ID: <51770D59.1030306 at andrewprice.me.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> On 23/04/13 22:58, Paul Harwood wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > Saw this on another list and thought it would be of interest...
> >
> > http://www.embedded-bits.co.uk/1-second-boot-machine-vision/
>
> I think this is a little off-topic for this list. Perhaps you'd find
> South Wales Linux User Group a more welcoming forum for these kinds of
> topics:
>
> http://swlug.org/
> http://swlug.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
> (I know, seems harsh, but if we allow general chat on the list it could
> end up drowning out the focus of getting the hackspace off the ground
> and alienate folks who aren't interested in Linux/open
> source/kittens/whatever the more vocal subgroups like to chat about.)
>
> Cheers,
> Andy
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 08:13:16 +0100
> From: Paul Harwood <paul at harwood-leon.com>
> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] <1 second cold linux boot
> To: Andrew Price <andy at andrewprice.me.uk>
> Cc: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> Message-ID: <86543E55-E1AC-4FA9-9875-A92B5D3ABED7 at harwood-leon.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset=us-ascii
>
> Hi Andy
>
> Maybe I misunderstood the nature of the list.
>
> So what topics are allowed then? I wouldn't have thought this list was
> topic exclusive.
>
> -- Paul
>
> On 23 Apr 2013, at 23:38, Andrew Price <andy at andrewprice.me.uk> wrote:
>
> > Hi Paul,
> >
> > On 23/04/13 22:58, Paul Harwood wrote:
> >> Hi
> >>
> >> Saw this on another list and thought it would be of interest...
> >>
> >> http://www.embedded-bits.co.uk/1-second-boot-machine-vision/
> >
> > I think this is a little off-topic for this list. Perhaps you'd find
> South Wales Linux User Group a more welcoming forum for these kinds of
> topics:
> >
> > http://swlug.org/
> > http://swlug.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> >
> > (I know, seems harsh, but if we allow general chat on the list it could
> end up drowning out the focus of getting the hackspace off the ground and
> alienate folks who aren't interested in Linux/open source/kittens/whatever
> the more vocal subgroups like to chat about.)
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Andy
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 09:47:19 +0100
> From: Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] <1 second cold linux boot
> To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> Message-ID: <1366793239.9429.4.camel at quartz.geode.org.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> On Tue, 2013-04-23 at 22:58 +0100, Paul Harwood wrote:
> > Saw this on another list and thought it would be of interest...
>
> > http://www.embedded-bits.co.uk/1-second-boot-machine-vision/
>
> the tl;dr; version
>
> "We made the application the init process to remove the need for
> user-space initialization scripts"
>
> well if your not going to actually boot an os then of course it starts
> up faster, its just the kernel and a single process, nothing else.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 10:28:19 +0100
> From: Tom Lloyd <napalmllama at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] <1 second cold linux boot
> To: Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk>
> Cc: "hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk"
>         <hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk>
> Message-ID:
>         <
> CAF85AwUn-wd1UAYBYmnCyN2pezPdpjedWJqz_orq0TWYyoBY2A at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> At this stage open chat and informal discussion is about the most essential
> thing we can do: without a community of people who know one another and are
> comfortable talking about shared interests we are nothing.  It's also the
> single biggest thing missing from the meetings we've had so far, but
> perhaps we can address that next time.
>
> Justin, can we have two lists please: one for management and admin stuff,
> and another for posts like this?  I agree that mixing the two would confuse
> things, but both are equally important.
>
> Cheers,
> Tom
>
>
> On 24 April 2013 09:47, Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 2013-04-23 at 22:58 +0100, Paul Harwood wrote:
> > > Saw this on another list and thought it would be of interest...
> >
> > > http://www.embedded-bits.co.uk/1-second-boot-machine-vision/
> >
> > the tl;dr; version
> >
> > "We made the application the init process to remove the need for
> > user-space initialization scripts"
> >
> > well if your not going to actually boot an os then of course it starts
> > up faster, its just the kernel and a single process, nothing else.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Hackspace mailing list
> > Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> > http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
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> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 10:50:09 +0100
> From: Paul Harwood <paul at harwood-leon.com>
> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] <1 second cold linux boot
> To: Tom Lloyd <napalmllama at gmail.com>
> Cc: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
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> +1
>
> Starting a successful community is very hard.
>
> Good to be right, but better to be nice (and right).
>
> -- Paul
>
> On 24 Apr 2013, at 10:28, Tom Lloyd <napalmllama at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > At this stage open chat and informal discussion is about the most
> essential thing we can do
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> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 11:10:40 +0100
> From: Andrew Price <andy at andrewprice.me.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] <1 second cold linux boot
> To: Paul Harwood <paul at harwood-leon.com>
> Cc: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> Message-ID: <5177AFA0.7010401 at andrewprice.me.uk>
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>
> On 24/04/13 08:13, Paul Harwood wrote:
> > Hi Andy
> >
> > Maybe I misunderstood the nature of the list.
> >
> > So what topics are allowed then? I wouldn't have thought this list was
> topic exclusive.
>
> Well I don't think it's really been discussed before but hopefully it'll
> become more clear once this thread has unravelled.
>
> Tom's idea of providing a separate discussion list might be a good way
> to go and would allow those of us who receive Bags O' Mail to easily
> filter out the less important stuff.
>
> Andy
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Hackspace mailing list
> Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
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>
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From andy at andrewprice.me.uk  Wed Apr 24 12:30:00 2013
From: andy at andrewprice.me.uk (Andrew Price)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 12:30:00 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Community building
In-Reply-To: <C7D10547-2797-4615-8165-FBF0FCA4B3E0@harwood-leon.com>
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On 24/04/13 10:50, Paul Harwood wrote:
> Starting a successful community is very hard.

Absolutely. I'm already noticing that we're not a very diverse bunch so 
we really should put some early effort into making the environment as 
comfortable and welcoming as possible to anyone who might want to get 
involved.

How do we feel about drawing up a general code-of-conduct kind of 
policy? It doesn't have to be long and detailed, just something that 
generally states that we're an inclusive community which doesn't 
tolerate discrimination, abuse or harassment.

Andy



From justin at discordia.org.uk  Wed Apr 24 12:39:33 2013
From: justin at discordia.org.uk (Justin Mitchell)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 12:39:33 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Community building
In-Reply-To: <CAAEY5oMF=FxBOHDccmOJKU+0u6_b_difaykB+YsHQJocy9DoBg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201304241100.r3OB041F005911@stoneship.org.uk>
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On Wed, 2013-04-24 at 12:21 +0100, Tim Moore wrote:
> Does any member have the knowledge to pop up a Forum type www site
> like this :-
> 
>  http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/index.php?sid=965c39f37fada4d4899c7c6d13e24f55
> 

I can easily set up a copy of phpBB or similar, 
it's more do we really want to, 

as briefly discussed in the first meeting, web forums are a pull
technology, you have to actively remember to go and check them for
updates, where as mailing lists are push, updates come to you.

I can setup any number of mailing lists easily, its all running on my
own hosted server anyway.

hardest part is naming it, community at ...  or discuss at ... ?





From napalmllama at gmail.com  Wed Apr 24 13:12:17 2013
From: napalmllama at gmail.com (Tom Lloyd)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 13:12:17 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Community building
In-Reply-To: <5177C238.50208@andrewprice.me.uk>
References: <FDCD52DA-7763-4693-834B-4FF40DCAF8AB@harwood-leon.com>
	<1366793239.9429.4.camel@quartz.geode.org.uk>
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How about keeping hackspace@ for admin related stuff, and setting up either
a new list or a forum for general discussion? I think a list would be
better, at least until we have more people. We could call it general@ or
talk at .
A technical list might be a good idea too, for help with those matters.

-- Tom
On Apr 24, 2013 12:30 PM, "Andrew Price" <andy at andrewprice.me.uk> wrote:

> On 24/04/13 10:50, Paul Harwood wrote:
>
>> Starting a successful community is very hard.
>>
>
> Absolutely. I'm already noticing that we're not a very diverse bunch so we
> really should put some early effort into making the environment as
> comfortable and welcoming as possible to anyone who might want to get
> involved.
>
> How do we feel about drawing up a general code-of-conduct kind of policy?
> It doesn't have to be long and detailed, just something that generally
> states that we're an inclusive community which doesn't tolerate
> discrimination, abuse or harassment.
>
> Andy
>
> ______________________________**_________________
> Hackspace mailing list
> Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.**org.uk <Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk>
> http://stoneship.org.uk/**mailman/listinfo/hackspace<http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace>
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From paul at harwood-leon.com  Wed Apr 24 13:56:53 2013
From: paul at harwood-leon.com (Paul Harwood)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 13:56:53 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Community building
In-Reply-To: <CAF85AwU37xQreVSDgvW+a734mO+ByQWy1if+M7TJVXAvQriMyQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <FDCD52DA-7763-4693-834B-4FF40DCAF8AB@harwood-leon.com>
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All I can say it that on the Bristol Hackspace list (which I have been following for a few months) there is no real distinction and the threads are all lumped into the main Hackspace list as far as I can tell (admin, chat, access issues). They seem to have a thriving list. I could be wrong there, but that is my impression.

In the inclusive nature of these things - I would also argue that administrative issues are everyones business, as their implications may affect everyone. 

Issues of a private nature are best sent directly to individuals, such as the one I am about to send to Justin about a possible space (with plans that cannot go onto a public archive). Further details can be then filtered down to the list for everyone to see at the individuals discretion.

@talk is not a bad idea, but it would create a bit of a dilemma for topics that cross the divide - such as chatting about venues for meetings.

Perhaps a simpler solution would be to mark administrative items with "ADMIN - thread name" or things that are blatantly off topic can be market with "OT - Thread name". Then people can set up their email filters accordingly (i.e. if they only want to get admin messages). As a convention, not a rule though.

As for a code-of-conduct - absolutely.

Forums - nope, bad idea.

:)

Paul

On 24 Apr 2013, at 13:12, Tom Lloyd <napalmllama at gmail.com> wrote:

> A technical list might be a good idea too, for help with those matters.

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From napalmllama at gmail.com  Wed Apr 24 14:57:52 2013
From: napalmllama at gmail.com (Tom Lloyd)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 14:57:52 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Community building
In-Reply-To: <ABC01F4B-A216-4997-875F-539C75B6C568@harwood-leon.com>
References: <FDCD52DA-7763-4693-834B-4FF40DCAF8AB@harwood-leon.com>
	<1366793239.9429.4.camel@quartz.geode.org.uk>
	<CAF85AwUn-wd1UAYBYmnCyN2pezPdpjedWJqz_orq0TWYyoBY2A@mail.gmail.com>
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All lists would be open - I meant to have separate lists purely so admin
and organisational business doesn't get lost amongst general chit chat.
Subject line prefixes could do this job too, although I lean more toward
separate lists, as the functionality is already there in Mailman and it
keeps things nicely sorted.  Justin's the one who actually has to do it, so
up to him :)

Re. guidelines, good idea - but let's avoid hard rules where possible.
Where there are rules there are rules-nazis, and nobody likes them.

-- Tom


On 24 April 2013 13:56, Paul Harwood <paul at harwood-leon.com> wrote:

> All I can say it that on the Bristol Hackspace list (which I have been
> following for a few months) there is no real distinction and the threads
> are all lumped into the main Hackspace list as far as I can tell (admin,
> chat, access issues). They seem to have a thriving list. I could be wrong
> there, but that is my impression.
>
> In the inclusive nature of these things - I would also argue that
> administrative issues are everyones business, as their implications may
> affect everyone.
>
> Issues of a private nature are best sent directly to individuals, such as
> the one I am about to send to Justin about a possible space (with plans
> that cannot go onto a public archive). Further details can be then filtered
> down to the list for everyone to see at the individuals discretion.
>
> @talk is not a bad idea, but it would create a bit of a dilemma for topics
> that cross the divide - such as chatting about venues for meetings.
>
> Perhaps a simpler solution would be to mark administrative items with
> "ADMIN - thread name" or things that are blatantly off topic can be market
> with "OT - Thread name". Then people can set up their email filters
> accordingly (i.e. if they only want to get admin messages). As a
> convention, not a rule though.
>
> As for a code-of-conduct - absolutely.
>
> Forums - nope, bad idea.
>
> :)
>
> Paul
>
> On 24 Apr 2013, at 13:12, Tom Lloyd <napalmllama at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> A technical list might be a good idea too, for help with those matters.
>
>
>
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From justin at discordia.org.uk  Wed Apr 24 16:33:54 2013
From: justin at discordia.org.uk (Justin Mitchell)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 16:33:54 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Community building
In-Reply-To: <CAF85AwVFoccsGFWMqcSwGvdrwirAbSteey+5udCTpus9fUA8sQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <FDCD52DA-7763-4693-834B-4FF40DCAF8AB@harwood-leon.com>
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On Wed, 2013-04-24 at 14:57 +0100, Tom Lloyd wrote:
> All lists would be open - I meant to have separate lists purely so
> admin and organisational business doesn't get lost amongst general
> chit chat.  Subject line prefixes could do this job too, although I
> lean more toward separate lists, as the functionality is already there
> in Mailman and it keeps things nicely sorted.  Justin's the one who
> actually has to do it, so up to him :)

Just reading through the docs, mailman has a concept of 'topics' within
one mailing list.  once defined you can tag your emails to belong to a
specific topic, and users can select which ones they want / dont want to
receive.

http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/node29.html





From andy at andrewprice.me.uk  Wed Apr 24 16:45:21 2013
From: andy at andrewprice.me.uk (Andrew Price)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 16:45:21 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Community building
In-Reply-To: <1366817634.9429.23.camel@quartz.geode.org.uk>
References: <FDCD52DA-7763-4693-834B-4FF40DCAF8AB@harwood-leon.com>
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On 24/04/13 16:33, Justin Mitchell wrote:
> On Wed, 2013-04-24 at 14:57 +0100, Tom Lloyd wrote:
>> All lists would be open - I meant to have separate lists purely so
>> admin and organisational business doesn't get lost amongst general
>> chit chat.  Subject line prefixes could do this job too, although I
>> lean more toward separate lists, as the functionality is already there
>> in Mailman and it keeps things nicely sorted.  Justin's the one who
>> actually has to do it, so up to him :)
>
> Just reading through the docs, mailman has a concept of 'topics' within
> one mailing list.  once defined you can tag your emails to belong to a
> specific topic, and users can select which ones they want / dont want to
> receive.
>
> http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/node29.html

"but it is the responsibility of each poster to make sure that their 
post is put with the correct topic"

Um, yeah, that's not going to work well. Separate lists would be fine.

Andy



From napalmllama at gmail.com  Wed Apr 24 16:48:56 2013
From: napalmllama at gmail.com (Tom Lloyd)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 16:48:56 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Community building
In-Reply-To: <1366817634.9429.23.camel@quartz.geode.org.uk>
References: <FDCD52DA-7763-4693-834B-4FF40DCAF8AB@harwood-leon.com>
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That sounds like a useful thing to do within a specific-purpose list.  So
eg. on the admin list we could have had a "logos" topic, and we might have
a "premises" topic in the future.


On 24 April 2013 16:33, Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk> wrote:

> On Wed, 2013-04-24 at 14:57 +0100, Tom Lloyd wrote:
> > All lists would be open - I meant to have separate lists purely so
> > admin and organisational business doesn't get lost amongst general
> > chit chat.  Subject line prefixes could do this job too, although I
> > lean more toward separate lists, as the functionality is already there
> > in Mailman and it keeps things nicely sorted.  Justin's the one who
> > actually has to do it, so up to him :)
>
> Just reading through the docs, mailman has a concept of 'topics' within
> one mailing list.  once defined you can tag your emails to belong to a
> specific topic, and users can select which ones they want / dont want to
> receive.
>
> http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/node29.html
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Hackspace mailing list
> Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
>
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From timmoore47 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 24 18:26:28 2013
From: timmoore47 at gmail.com (Tim Moore)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 18:26:28 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 4, Issue 20
In-Reply-To: <201304241545.r3OFjQ2i009216@stoneship.org.uk>
References: <201304241545.r3OFjQ2i009216@stoneship.org.uk>
Message-ID: <CAAEY5oOHsncO5TDX=zS2V7F7ZxhwLSDXQxLJtO1Kg0Wz-LdnfA@mail.gmail.com>

Forums are a great long term repository for technical solutions provided
there is a good 'search' facility.  (mail lists are not IMHO )

A good Forum is of equal benefit as a 'HackSpace' facility to make stuff
for those who can easily get to Swansea.

I think that is a bit of a no-brainer, so if anyone is more skilled than I,
to pop a Forum on www.SwanseaHackspace.org, I'd be pleased to fund the www
site costs.

(Is that title ok ?)

:  )))

Tim_1

On 24 April 2013 16:45, <hackspace-request at swansea.hackspace.org.uk> wrote:

> Send Hackspace mailing list submissions to
>         hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>         http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>         hackspace-request at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>
> You can reach the person managing the list at
>         hackspace-owner at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of Hackspace digest..."
>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
>    1. Community building (Andrew Price)
>    2. Re: Community building (Justin Mitchell)
>    3. Re: Community building (Tom Lloyd)
>    4. Re: Community building (Paul Harwood)
>    5. Re: Community building (Tom Lloyd)
>    6. Re: Community building (Justin Mitchell)
>    7. Re: Community building (Andrew Price)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 12:30:00 +0100
> From: Andrew Price <andy at andrewprice.me.uk>
> Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Community building
> To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> Message-ID: <5177C238.50208 at andrewprice.me.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> On 24/04/13 10:50, Paul Harwood wrote:
> > Starting a successful community is very hard.
>
> Absolutely. I'm already noticing that we're not a very diverse bunch so
> we really should put some early effort into making the environment as
> comfortable and welcoming as possible to anyone who might want to get
> involved.
>
> How do we feel about drawing up a general code-of-conduct kind of
> policy? It doesn't have to be long and detailed, just something that
> generally states that we're an inclusive community which doesn't
> tolerate discrimination, abuse or harassment.
>
> Andy
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 12:39:33 +0100
> From: Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Community building
> To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> Message-ID: <1366803573.9429.16.camel at quartz.geode.org.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> On Wed, 2013-04-24 at 12:21 +0100, Tim Moore wrote:
> > Does any member have the knowledge to pop up a Forum type www site
> > like this :-
> >
> >
> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/index.php?sid=965c39f37fada4d4899c7c6d13e24f55
> >
>
> I can easily set up a copy of phpBB or similar,
> it's more do we really want to,
>
> as briefly discussed in the first meeting, web forums are a pull
> technology, you have to actively remember to go and check them for
> updates, where as mailing lists are push, updates come to you.
>
> I can setup any number of mailing lists easily, its all running on my
> own hosted server anyway.
>
> hardest part is naming it, community at ...  or discuss at ... ?
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 13:12:17 +0100
> From: Tom Lloyd <napalmllama at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Community building
> To: Andrew Price <andy at andrewprice.me.uk>
> Cc: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> Message-ID:
>         <
> CAF85AwU37xQreVSDgvW+a734mO+ByQWy1if+M7TJVXAvQriMyQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> How about keeping hackspace@ for admin related stuff, and setting up
> either
> a new list or a forum for general discussion? I think a list would be
> better, at least until we have more people. We could call it general@ or
> talk at .
> A technical list might be a good idea too, for help with those matters.
>
> -- Tom
> On Apr 24, 2013 12:30 PM, "Andrew Price" <andy at andrewprice.me.uk> wrote:
>
> > On 24/04/13 10:50, Paul Harwood wrote:
> >
> >> Starting a successful community is very hard.
> >>
> >
> > Absolutely. I'm already noticing that we're not a very diverse bunch so
> we
> > really should put some early effort into making the environment as
> > comfortable and welcoming as possible to anyone who might want to get
> > involved.
> >
> > How do we feel about drawing up a general code-of-conduct kind of policy?
> > It doesn't have to be long and detailed, just something that generally
> > states that we're an inclusive community which doesn't tolerate
> > discrimination, abuse or harassment.
> >
> > Andy
> >
> > ______________________________**_________________
> > Hackspace mailing list
> > Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.**org.uk <Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> >
> > http://stoneship.org.uk/**mailman/listinfo/hackspace<
> http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace>
> >
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 13:56:53 +0100
> From: Paul Harwood <paul at harwood-leon.com>
> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Community building
> To: Tom Lloyd <napalmllama at gmail.com>
> Cc: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> Message-ID: <ABC01F4B-A216-4997-875F-539C75B6C568 at harwood-leon.com>
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>
> All I can say it that on the Bristol Hackspace list (which I have been
> following for a few months) there is no real distinction and the threads
> are all lumped into the main Hackspace list as far as I can tell (admin,
> chat, access issues). They seem to have a thriving list. I could be wrong
> there, but that is my impression.
>
> In the inclusive nature of these things - I would also argue that
> administrative issues are everyones business, as their implications may
> affect everyone.
>
> Issues of a private nature are best sent directly to individuals, such as
> the one I am about to send to Justin about a possible space (with plans
> that cannot go onto a public archive). Further details can be then filtered
> down to the list for everyone to see at the individuals discretion.
>
> @talk is not a bad idea, but it would create a bit of a dilemma for topics
> that cross the divide - such as chatting about venues for meetings.
>
> Perhaps a simpler solution would be to mark administrative items with
> "ADMIN - thread name" or things that are blatantly off topic can be market
> with "OT - Thread name". Then people can set up their email filters
> accordingly (i.e. if they only want to get admin messages). As a
> convention, not a rule though.
>
> As for a code-of-conduct - absolutely.
>
> Forums - nope, bad idea.
>
> :)
>
> Paul
>
> On 24 Apr 2013, at 13:12, Tom Lloyd <napalmllama at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > A technical list might be a good idea too, for help with those matters.
>
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> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 14:57:52 +0100
> From: Tom Lloyd <napalmllama at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Community building
> To: Paul Harwood <paul at harwood-leon.com>
> Cc: "hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk"
>         <hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk>
> Message-ID:
>         <
> CAF85AwVFoccsGFWMqcSwGvdrwirAbSteey+5udCTpus9fUA8sQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> All lists would be open - I meant to have separate lists purely so admin
> and organisational business doesn't get lost amongst general chit chat.
> Subject line prefixes could do this job too, although I lean more toward
> separate lists, as the functionality is already there in Mailman and it
> keeps things nicely sorted.  Justin's the one who actually has to do it, so
> up to him :)
>
> Re. guidelines, good idea - but let's avoid hard rules where possible.
> Where there are rules there are rules-nazis, and nobody likes them.
>
> -- Tom
>
>
> On 24 April 2013 13:56, Paul Harwood <paul at harwood-leon.com> wrote:
>
> > All I can say it that on the Bristol Hackspace list (which I have been
> > following for a few months) there is no real distinction and the threads
> > are all lumped into the main Hackspace list as far as I can tell (admin,
> > chat, access issues). They seem to have a thriving list. I could be wrong
> > there, but that is my impression.
> >
> > In the inclusive nature of these things - I would also argue that
> > administrative issues are everyones business, as their implications may
> > affect everyone.
> >
> > Issues of a private nature are best sent directly to individuals, such as
> > the one I am about to send to Justin about a possible space (with plans
> > that cannot go onto a public archive). Further details can be then
> filtered
> > down to the list for everyone to see at the individuals discretion.
> >
> > @talk is not a bad idea, but it would create a bit of a dilemma for
> topics
> > that cross the divide - such as chatting about venues for meetings.
> >
> > Perhaps a simpler solution would be to mark administrative items with
> > "ADMIN - thread name" or things that are blatantly off topic can be
> market
> > with "OT - Thread name". Then people can set up their email filters
> > accordingly (i.e. if they only want to get admin messages). As a
> > convention, not a rule though.
> >
> > As for a code-of-conduct - absolutely.
> >
> > Forums - nope, bad idea.
> >
> > :)
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > On 24 Apr 2013, at 13:12, Tom Lloyd <napalmllama at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > A technical list might be a good idea too, for help with those matters.
> >
> >
> >
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> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 16:33:54 +0100
> From: Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Community building
> To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> Message-ID: <1366817634.9429.23.camel at quartz.geode.org.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> On Wed, 2013-04-24 at 14:57 +0100, Tom Lloyd wrote:
> > All lists would be open - I meant to have separate lists purely so
> > admin and organisational business doesn't get lost amongst general
> > chit chat.  Subject line prefixes could do this job too, although I
> > lean more toward separate lists, as the functionality is already there
> > in Mailman and it keeps things nicely sorted.  Justin's the one who
> > actually has to do it, so up to him :)
>
> Just reading through the docs, mailman has a concept of 'topics' within
> one mailing list.  once defined you can tag your emails to belong to a
> specific topic, and users can select which ones they want / dont want to
> receive.
>
> http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/node29.html
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 16:45:21 +0100
> From: Andrew Price <andy at andrewprice.me.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Community building
> To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> Message-ID: <5177FE11.7030908 at andrewprice.me.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> On 24/04/13 16:33, Justin Mitchell wrote:
> > On Wed, 2013-04-24 at 14:57 +0100, Tom Lloyd wrote:
> >> All lists would be open - I meant to have separate lists purely so
> >> admin and organisational business doesn't get lost amongst general
> >> chit chat.  Subject line prefixes could do this job too, although I
> >> lean more toward separate lists, as the functionality is already there
> >> in Mailman and it keeps things nicely sorted.  Justin's the one who
> >> actually has to do it, so up to him :)
> >
> > Just reading through the docs, mailman has a concept of 'topics' within
> > one mailing list.  once defined you can tag your emails to belong to a
> > specific topic, and users can select which ones they want / dont want to
> > receive.
> >
> > http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/node29.html
>
> "but it is the responsibility of each poster to make sure that their
> post is put with the correct topic"
>
> Um, yeah, that's not going to work well. Separate lists would be fine.
>
> Andy
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
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From paul at harwood-leon.com  Wed Apr 24 20:48:14 2013
From: paul at harwood-leon.com (Paul Harwood)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 20:48:14 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Community building 
In-Reply-To: <CAAEY5oOHsncO5TDX=zS2V7F7ZxhwLSDXQxLJtO1Kg0Wz-LdnfA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201304241545.r3OFjQ2i009216@stoneship.org.uk>
	<CAAEY5oOHsncO5TDX=zS2V7F7ZxhwLSDXQxLJtO1Kg0Wz-LdnfA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1967D8D1-6D37-402E-AFF7-8A61D5B06EA5@harwood-leon.com>

How about a wiki? 

Sorry to knock the forum idea, but I think it is a really poor way of structuring information, especially complex technical information that is probably subject to change.

I will happily set one up on www.SwanseaHackspace.org and host it temporarily for free (until it finds an independent home).

-- Paul



On 24 Apr 2013, at 18:26, Tim Moore <timmoore47 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Forums are a great long term repository for technical solutions provided there is a good 'search' facility.  (mail lists are not IMHO ) 
> 
> A good Forum is of equal benefit as a 'HackSpace' facility to make stuff for those who can easily get to Swansea.
> 
> I think that is a bit of a no-brainer, so if anyone is more skilled than I, to pop a Forum on www.SwanseaHackspace.org, I'd be pleased to fund the www site costs.
> 
> (Is that title ok ?)
> 
> :  )))
> 
> Tim_1
> 
> On 24 April 2013 16:45, <hackspace-request at swansea.hackspace.org.uk> wrote:
> Send Hackspace mailing list submissions to
>         hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> 
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>         http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>         hackspace-request at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> 
> You can reach the person managing the list at
>         hackspace-owner at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> 
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of Hackspace digest..."
> 
> 
> Today's Topics:
> 
>    1. Community building (Andrew Price)
>    2. Re: Community building (Justin Mitchell)
>    3. Re: Community building (Tom Lloyd)
>    4. Re: Community building (Paul Harwood)
>    5. Re: Community building (Tom Lloyd)
>    6. Re: Community building (Justin Mitchell)
>    7. Re: Community building (Andrew Price)
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 12:30:00 +0100
> From: Andrew Price <andy at andrewprice.me.uk>
> Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Community building
> To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> Message-ID: <5177C238.50208 at andrewprice.me.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> On 24/04/13 10:50, Paul Harwood wrote:
> > Starting a successful community is very hard.
> 
> Absolutely. I'm already noticing that we're not a very diverse bunch so
> we really should put some early effort into making the environment as
> comfortable and welcoming as possible to anyone who might want to get
> involved.
> 
> How do we feel about drawing up a general code-of-conduct kind of
> policy? It doesn't have to be long and detailed, just something that
> generally states that we're an inclusive community which doesn't
> tolerate discrimination, abuse or harassment.
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 12:39:33 +0100
> From: Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Community building
> To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> Message-ID: <1366803573.9429.16.camel at quartz.geode.org.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> 
> On Wed, 2013-04-24 at 12:21 +0100, Tim Moore wrote:
> > Does any member have the knowledge to pop up a Forum type www site
> > like this :-
> >
> >  http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/index.php?sid=965c39f37fada4d4899c7c6d13e24f55
> >
> 
> I can easily set up a copy of phpBB or similar,
> it's more do we really want to,
> 
> as briefly discussed in the first meeting, web forums are a pull
> technology, you have to actively remember to go and check them for
> updates, where as mailing lists are push, updates come to you.
> 
> I can setup any number of mailing lists easily, its all running on my
> own hosted server anyway.
> 
> hardest part is naming it, community at ...  or discuss at ... ?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 13:12:17 +0100
> From: Tom Lloyd <napalmllama at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Community building
> To: Andrew Price <andy at andrewprice.me.uk>
> Cc: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> Message-ID:
>         <CAF85AwU37xQreVSDgvW+a734mO+ByQWy1if+M7TJVXAvQriMyQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> How about keeping hackspace@ for admin related stuff, and setting up either
> a new list or a forum for general discussion? I think a list would be
> better, at least until we have more people. We could call it general@ or
> talk at .
> A technical list might be a good idea too, for help with those matters.
> 
> -- Tom
> On Apr 24, 2013 12:30 PM, "Andrew Price" <andy at andrewprice.me.uk> wrote:
> 
> > On 24/04/13 10:50, Paul Harwood wrote:
> >
> >> Starting a successful community is very hard.
> >>
> >
> > Absolutely. I'm already noticing that we're not a very diverse bunch so we
> > really should put some early effort into making the environment as
> > comfortable and welcoming as possible to anyone who might want to get
> > involved.
> >
> > How do we feel about drawing up a general code-of-conduct kind of policy?
> > It doesn't have to be long and detailed, just something that generally
> > states that we're an inclusive community which doesn't tolerate
> > discrimination, abuse or harassment.
> >
> > Andy
> >
> > ______________________________**_________________
> > Hackspace mailing list
> > Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.**org.uk <Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk>
> > http://stoneship.org.uk/**mailman/listinfo/hackspace<http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace>
> >
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 13:56:53 +0100
> From: Paul Harwood <paul at harwood-leon.com>
> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Community building
> To: Tom Lloyd <napalmllama at gmail.com>
> Cc: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> Message-ID: <ABC01F4B-A216-4997-875F-539C75B6C568 at harwood-leon.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> All I can say it that on the Bristol Hackspace list (which I have been following for a few months) there is no real distinction and the threads are all lumped into the main Hackspace list as far as I can tell (admin, chat, access issues). They seem to have a thriving list. I could be wrong there, but that is my impression.
> 
> In the inclusive nature of these things - I would also argue that administrative issues are everyones business, as their implications may affect everyone.
> 
> Issues of a private nature are best sent directly to individuals, such as the one I am about to send to Justin about a possible space (with plans that cannot go onto a public archive). Further details can be then filtered down to the list for everyone to see at the individuals discretion.
> 
> @talk is not a bad idea, but it would create a bit of a dilemma for topics that cross the divide - such as chatting about venues for meetings.
> 
> Perhaps a simpler solution would be to mark administrative items with "ADMIN - thread name" or things that are blatantly off topic can be market with "OT - Thread name". Then people can set up their email filters accordingly (i.e. if they only want to get admin messages). As a convention, not a rule though.
> 
> As for a code-of-conduct - absolutely.
> 
> Forums - nope, bad idea.
> 
> :)
> 
> Paul
> 
> On 24 Apr 2013, at 13:12, Tom Lloyd <napalmllama at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > A technical list might be a good idea too, for help with those matters.
> 
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 14:57:52 +0100
> From: Tom Lloyd <napalmllama at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Community building
> To: Paul Harwood <paul at harwood-leon.com>
> Cc: "hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk"
>         <hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk>
> Message-ID:
>         <CAF85AwVFoccsGFWMqcSwGvdrwirAbSteey+5udCTpus9fUA8sQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> All lists would be open - I meant to have separate lists purely so admin
> and organisational business doesn't get lost amongst general chit chat.
> Subject line prefixes could do this job too, although I lean more toward
> separate lists, as the functionality is already there in Mailman and it
> keeps things nicely sorted.  Justin's the one who actually has to do it, so
> up to him :)
> 
> Re. guidelines, good idea - but let's avoid hard rules where possible.
> Where there are rules there are rules-nazis, and nobody likes them.
> 
> -- Tom
> 
> 
> On 24 April 2013 13:56, Paul Harwood <paul at harwood-leon.com> wrote:
> 
> > All I can say it that on the Bristol Hackspace list (which I have been
> > following for a few months) there is no real distinction and the threads
> > are all lumped into the main Hackspace list as far as I can tell (admin,
> > chat, access issues). They seem to have a thriving list. I could be wrong
> > there, but that is my impression.
> >
> > In the inclusive nature of these things - I would also argue that
> > administrative issues are everyones business, as their implications may
> > affect everyone.
> >
> > Issues of a private nature are best sent directly to individuals, such as
> > the one I am about to send to Justin about a possible space (with plans
> > that cannot go onto a public archive). Further details can be then filtered
> > down to the list for everyone to see at the individuals discretion.
> >
> > @talk is not a bad idea, but it would create a bit of a dilemma for topics
> > that cross the divide - such as chatting about venues for meetings.
> >
> > Perhaps a simpler solution would be to mark administrative items with
> > "ADMIN - thread name" or things that are blatantly off topic can be market
> > with "OT - Thread name". Then people can set up their email filters
> > accordingly (i.e. if they only want to get admin messages). As a
> > convention, not a rule though.
> >
> > As for a code-of-conduct - absolutely.
> >
> > Forums - nope, bad idea.
> >
> > :)
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > On 24 Apr 2013, at 13:12, Tom Lloyd <napalmllama at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > A technical list might be a good idea too, for help with those matters.
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 16:33:54 +0100
> From: Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Community building
> To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> Message-ID: <1366817634.9429.23.camel at quartz.geode.org.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> 
> On Wed, 2013-04-24 at 14:57 +0100, Tom Lloyd wrote:
> > All lists would be open - I meant to have separate lists purely so
> > admin and organisational business doesn't get lost amongst general
> > chit chat.  Subject line prefixes could do this job too, although I
> > lean more toward separate lists, as the functionality is already there
> > in Mailman and it keeps things nicely sorted.  Justin's the one who
> > actually has to do it, so up to him :)
> 
> Just reading through the docs, mailman has a concept of 'topics' within
> one mailing list.  once defined you can tag your emails to belong to a
> specific topic, and users can select which ones they want / dont want to
> receive.
> 
> http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/node29.html
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 16:45:21 +0100
> From: Andrew Price <andy at andrewprice.me.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Community building
> To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> Message-ID: <5177FE11.7030908 at andrewprice.me.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
> 
> On 24/04/13 16:33, Justin Mitchell wrote:
> > On Wed, 2013-04-24 at 14:57 +0100, Tom Lloyd wrote:
> >> All lists would be open - I meant to have separate lists purely so
> >> admin and organisational business doesn't get lost amongst general
> >> chit chat.  Subject line prefixes could do this job too, although I
> >> lean more toward separate lists, as the functionality is already there
> >> in Mailman and it keeps things nicely sorted.  Justin's the one who
> >> actually has to do it, so up to him :)
> >
> > Just reading through the docs, mailman has a concept of 'topics' within
> > one mailing list.  once defined you can tag your emails to belong to a
> > specific topic, and users can select which ones they want / dont want to
> > receive.
> >
> > http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/node29.html
> 
> "but it is the responsibility of each poster to make sure that their
> post is put with the correct topic"
> 
> Um, yeah, that's not going to work well. Separate lists would be fine.
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
> 
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From napalmllama at gmail.com  Wed Apr 24 21:25:37 2013
From: napalmllama at gmail.com (Tom Lloyd)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 21:25:37 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Community building
In-Reply-To: <1967D8D1-6D37-402E-AFF7-8A61D5B06EA5@harwood-leon.com>
References: <201304241545.r3OFjQ2i009216@stoneship.org.uk>
	<CAAEY5oOHsncO5TDX=zS2V7F7ZxhwLSDXQxLJtO1Kg0Wz-LdnfA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1967D8D1-6D37-402E-AFF7-8A61D5B06EA5@harwood-leon.com>
Message-ID: <CAF85AwVfFM=Bw-M2rxsq_x_YzJ2xM-aXUoCadic55U9NHWMmXA@mail.gmail.com>

Rather than people suggesting things and other people poo-pooing them, why
don't we try all the suggestions and see what works?  It's not like we're
short of either servers or people to maintain them.  It doesn't even matter
for now if our stuff is spread across multiple servers - we find out which
methods of communicating work for us, and then we can gather them up into a
central place later.

As long as we keep important stuff on this list, I see no harm in a bit of
experimentation :)

-- Tom


On 24 April 2013 20:48, Paul Harwood <paul at harwood-leon.com> wrote:

> How about a wiki?
>
> Sorry to knock the forum idea, but I think it is a really poor way of
> structuring information, especially complex technical information that is
> probably subject to change.
>
> I will happily set one up on www.SwanseaHackspace.org<http://www.swanseahackspace.org/> and
> host it temporarily for free (until it finds an independent home).
>
> -- Paul
>
>
>
> On 24 Apr 2013, at 18:26, Tim Moore <timmoore47 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Forums are a great long term repository for technical solutions provided
> there is a good 'search' facility.  (mail lists are not IMHO )
>
> A good Forum is of equal benefit as a 'HackSpace' facility to make stuff
> for those who can easily get to Swansea.
>
> I think that is a bit of a no-brainer, so if anyone is more skilled than
> I, to pop a Forum on www.SwanseaHackspace.org<http://www.swanseahackspace.org/>,
> I'd be pleased to fund the www site costs.
>
> (Is that title ok ?)
>
> :  )))
>
> Tim_1
>
> On 24 April 2013 16:45, <hackspace-request at swansea.hackspace.org.uk>wrote:
>
>> Send Hackspace mailing list submissions to
>>         hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>>
>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>>         http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>         hackspace-request at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>>
>> You can reach the person managing the list at
>>         hackspace-owner at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>>
>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>> than "Re: Contents of Hackspace digest..."
>>
>>
>> Today's Topics:
>>
>>    1. Community building (Andrew Price)
>>    2. Re: Community building (Justin Mitchell)
>>    3. Re: Community building (Tom Lloyd)
>>    4. Re: Community building (Paul Harwood)
>>    5. Re: Community building (Tom Lloyd)
>>    6. Re: Community building (Justin Mitchell)
>>    7. Re: Community building (Andrew Price)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 12:30:00 +0100
>> From: Andrew Price <andy at andrewprice.me.uk>
>> Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Community building
>> To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> Message-ID: <5177C238.50208 at andrewprice.me.uk>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>>
>> On 24/04/13 10:50, Paul Harwood wrote:
>> > Starting a successful community is very hard.
>>
>> Absolutely. I'm already noticing that we're not a very diverse bunch so
>> we really should put some early effort into making the environment as
>> comfortable and welcoming as possible to anyone who might want to get
>> involved.
>>
>> How do we feel about drawing up a general code-of-conduct kind of
>> policy? It doesn't have to be long and detailed, just something that
>> generally states that we're an inclusive community which doesn't
>> tolerate discrimination, abuse or harassment.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 12:39:33 +0100
>> From: Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Community building
>> To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> Message-ID: <1366803573.9429.16.camel at quartz.geode.org.uk>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 2013-04-24 at 12:21 +0100, Tim Moore wrote:
>> > Does any member have the knowledge to pop up a Forum type www site
>> > like this :-
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/index.php?sid=965c39f37fada4d4899c7c6d13e24f55
>> >
>>
>> I can easily set up a copy of phpBB or similar,
>> it's more do we really want to,
>>
>> as briefly discussed in the first meeting, web forums are a pull
>> technology, you have to actively remember to go and check them for
>> updates, where as mailing lists are push, updates come to you.
>>
>> I can setup any number of mailing lists easily, its all running on my
>> own hosted server anyway.
>>
>> hardest part is naming it, community at ...  or discuss at ... ?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 13:12:17 +0100
>> From: Tom Lloyd <napalmllama at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Community building
>> To: Andrew Price <andy at andrewprice.me.uk>
>> Cc: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> Message-ID:
>>         <
>> CAF85AwU37xQreVSDgvW+a734mO+ByQWy1if+M7TJVXAvQriMyQ at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>>
>> How about keeping hackspace@ for admin related stuff, and setting up
>> either
>> a new list or a forum for general discussion? I think a list would be
>> better, at least until we have more people. We could call it general@ or
>> talk at .
>> A technical list might be a good idea too, for help with those matters.
>>
>> -- Tom
>> On Apr 24, 2013 12:30 PM, "Andrew Price" <andy at andrewprice.me.uk> wrote:
>>
>> > On 24/04/13 10:50, Paul Harwood wrote:
>> >
>> >> Starting a successful community is very hard.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Absolutely. I'm already noticing that we're not a very diverse bunch so
>> we
>> > really should put some early effort into making the environment as
>> > comfortable and welcoming as possible to anyone who might want to get
>> > involved.
>> >
>> > How do we feel about drawing up a general code-of-conduct kind of
>> policy?
>> > It doesn't have to be long and detailed, just something that generally
>> > states that we're an inclusive community which doesn't tolerate
>> > discrimination, abuse or harassment.
>> >
>> > Andy
>> >
>> > ______________________________**_________________
>> > Hackspace mailing list
>> > Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.**org.uk <
>> Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk>
>> > http://stoneship.org.uk/**mailman/listinfo/hackspace<
>> http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace>
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 13:56:53 +0100
>> From: Paul Harwood <paul at harwood-leon.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Community building
>> To: Tom Lloyd <napalmllama at gmail.com>
>> Cc: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> Message-ID: <ABC01F4B-A216-4997-875F-539C75B6C568 at harwood-leon.com>
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>>
>> All I can say it that on the Bristol Hackspace list (which I have been
>> following for a few months) there is no real distinction and the threads
>> are all lumped into the main Hackspace list as far as I can tell (admin,
>> chat, access issues). They seem to have a thriving list. I could be wrong
>> there, but that is my impression.
>>
>> In the inclusive nature of these things - I would also argue that
>> administrative issues are everyones business, as their implications may
>> affect everyone.
>>
>> Issues of a private nature are best sent directly to individuals, such as
>> the one I am about to send to Justin about a possible space (with plans
>> that cannot go onto a public archive). Further details can be then filtered
>> down to the list for everyone to see at the individuals discretion.
>>
>> @talk is not a bad idea, but it would create a bit of a dilemma for
>> topics that cross the divide - such as chatting about venues for meetings.
>>
>> Perhaps a simpler solution would be to mark administrative items with
>> "ADMIN - thread name" or things that are blatantly off topic can be market
>> with "OT - Thread name". Then people can set up their email filters
>> accordingly (i.e. if they only want to get admin messages). As a
>> convention, not a rule though.
>>
>> As for a code-of-conduct - absolutely.
>>
>> Forums - nope, bad idea.
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> On 24 Apr 2013, at 13:12, Tom Lloyd <napalmllama at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > A technical list might be a good idea too, for help with those matters.
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 14:57:52 +0100
>> From: Tom Lloyd <napalmllama at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Community building
>> To: Paul Harwood <paul at harwood-leon.com>
>> Cc: "hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk"
>>         <hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk>
>> Message-ID:
>>         <
>> CAF85AwVFoccsGFWMqcSwGvdrwirAbSteey+5udCTpus9fUA8sQ at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>>
>> All lists would be open - I meant to have separate lists purely so admin
>> and organisational business doesn't get lost amongst general chit chat.
>> Subject line prefixes could do this job too, although I lean more toward
>> separate lists, as the functionality is already there in Mailman and it
>> keeps things nicely sorted.  Justin's the one who actually has to do it,
>> so
>> up to him :)
>>
>> Re. guidelines, good idea - but let's avoid hard rules where possible.
>> Where there are rules there are rules-nazis, and nobody likes them.
>>
>> -- Tom
>>
>>
>> On 24 April 2013 13:56, Paul Harwood <paul at harwood-leon.com> wrote:
>>
>> > All I can say it that on the Bristol Hackspace list (which I have been
>> > following for a few months) there is no real distinction and the threads
>> > are all lumped into the main Hackspace list as far as I can tell (admin,
>> > chat, access issues). They seem to have a thriving list. I could be
>> wrong
>> > there, but that is my impression.
>> >
>> > In the inclusive nature of these things - I would also argue that
>> > administrative issues are everyones business, as their implications may
>> > affect everyone.
>> >
>> > Issues of a private nature are best sent directly to individuals, such
>> as
>> > the one I am about to send to Justin about a possible space (with plans
>> > that cannot go onto a public archive). Further details can be then
>> filtered
>> > down to the list for everyone to see at the individuals discretion.
>> >
>> > @talk is not a bad idea, but it would create a bit of a dilemma for
>> topics
>> > that cross the divide - such as chatting about venues for meetings.
>> >
>> > Perhaps a simpler solution would be to mark administrative items with
>> > "ADMIN - thread name" or things that are blatantly off topic can be
>> market
>> > with "OT - Thread name". Then people can set up their email filters
>> > accordingly (i.e. if they only want to get admin messages). As a
>> > convention, not a rule though.
>> >
>> > As for a code-of-conduct - absolutely.
>> >
>> > Forums - nope, bad idea.
>> >
>> > :)
>> >
>> > Paul
>> >
>> > On 24 Apr 2013, at 13:12, Tom Lloyd <napalmllama at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > A technical list might be a good idea too, for help with those matters.
>> >
>> >
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>> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 16:33:54 +0100
>> From: Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Community building
>> To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> Message-ID: <1366817634.9429.23.camel at quartz.geode.org.uk>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 2013-04-24 at 14:57 +0100, Tom Lloyd wrote:
>> > All lists would be open - I meant to have separate lists purely so
>> > admin and organisational business doesn't get lost amongst general
>> > chit chat.  Subject line prefixes could do this job too, although I
>> > lean more toward separate lists, as the functionality is already there
>> > in Mailman and it keeps things nicely sorted.  Justin's the one who
>> > actually has to do it, so up to him :)
>>
>> Just reading through the docs, mailman has a concept of 'topics' within
>> one mailing list.  once defined you can tag your emails to belong to a
>> specific topic, and users can select which ones they want / dont want to
>> receive.
>>
>> http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/node29.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 16:45:21 +0100
>> From: Andrew Price <andy at andrewprice.me.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Community building
>> To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> Message-ID: <5177FE11.7030908 at andrewprice.me.uk>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>>
>>
>> On 24/04/13 16:33, Justin Mitchell wrote:
>> > On Wed, 2013-04-24 at 14:57 +0100, Tom Lloyd wrote:
>> >> All lists would be open - I meant to have separate lists purely so
>> >> admin and organisational business doesn't get lost amongst general
>> >> chit chat.  Subject line prefixes could do this job too, although I
>> >> lean more toward separate lists, as the functionality is already there
>> >> in Mailman and it keeps things nicely sorted.  Justin's the one who
>> >> actually has to do it, so up to him :)
>> >
>> > Just reading through the docs, mailman has a concept of 'topics' within
>> > one mailing list.  once defined you can tag your emails to belong to a
>> > specific topic, and users can select which ones they want / dont want to
>> > receive.
>> >
>> > http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/node29.html
>>
>> "but it is the responsibility of each poster to make sure that their
>> post is put with the correct topic"
>>
>> Um, yeah, that's not going to work well. Separate lists would be fine.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Hackspace mailing list
>> Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
>>
>>
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From justin at discordia.org.uk  Wed Apr 24 22:06:30 2013
From: justin at discordia.org.uk (Justin Mitchell)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 22:06:30 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Community building
In-Reply-To: <CAF85AwVfFM=Bw-M2rxsq_x_YzJ2xM-aXUoCadic55U9NHWMmXA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201304241545.r3OFjQ2i009216@stoneship.org.uk>
	<CAAEY5oOHsncO5TDX=zS2V7F7ZxhwLSDXQxLJtO1Kg0Wz-LdnfA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1967D8D1-6D37-402E-AFF7-8A61D5B06EA5@harwood-leon.com>
	<CAF85AwVfFM=Bw-M2rxsq_x_YzJ2xM-aXUoCadic55U9NHWMmXA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1366837590.31290.12.camel@emerald.geode.org.uk>

On Wed, 2013-04-24 at 21:25 +0100, Tom Lloyd wrote:
> Rather than people suggesting things and other people poo-pooing them,
> why don't we try all the suggestions and see what works?  It's not
> like we're short of either servers or people to maintain them.  It
> doesn't even matter for now if our stuff is spread across multiple
> servers - we find out which methods of communicating work for us, and
> then we can gather them up into a central place later.
> 
> 
> As long as we keep important stuff on this list, I see no harm in a
> bit of experimentation :)

I have grave concerns about splitting the scant content we have over
multiple domains, it will just add inconsistency and confusion.

I have been planning to migrate the current website into a wiki
framework, i just haven't found the time yet to do it, either going to
use pmwiki as its quite flexible, or my own modular framework which has
a wiki component, as it can grow as needed.

Would go with a wiki as its more suitable for organised information than
something liek wordpress, and will allow others to contribute content.
but it is not a suitable place to hold discussions and conversations.

If our mailing list was a lot busier then i would create other lists to
separate the traffic, but as it is i think we would lose people along
the way, i am going to turn on the topics support and do it that way,
then anyone that doesn't want certain topics can tune them out,
otherwise you see everything as before.

As for long term searchable repository, you will find that google has
already discovered and indexed our mailing list archive, i tried a few
simple searches and got back emails from the archive.  Perhaps i can add
a custom search box to the website if we want to make this more obvious.

If people would like a shorter alternative domain name then i will
register one, i have a registrar account and dns servers, and then
attach it to the existing server as an alias.






From justin at discordia.org.uk  Thu Apr 25 16:53:42 2013
From: justin at discordia.org.uk (Justin Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 16:53:42 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] [Announce] Mail list topics
Message-ID: <1366905222.24248.32.camel@quartz.geode.org.uk>

To help filter out the noise i have enabled Topics on this list.

You can put the following in your subject line to categorise messages

[Announce]   for important announcements, like meeting dates etc

[Organisation] or [Committee]  for organisational matters.

[Off-topic] or [Discuss] or [Talk]   for general chatter.

untagged messages will continue to work also.

NB: these are defined by regexs which catch more than this, see the
options page for the full list.

--

If you like hearing everything, you need do nothing new.

If you want to cut down on chatter, login to your options page.
http://swansea.hackspace.org.uk/mailman/options/hackspace

Under "Which topic categories would you like to subscribe to?"
tick the ones you want (none means all)

also decide if you want to hear ones that are untagged.
"Do you want to receive messages that do not match any topic filter?"





From napalmllama at gmail.com  Tue Apr 30 20:02:54 2013
From: napalmllama at gmail.com (Tom Lloyd)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:02:54 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Advice, please!
Message-ID: <CAF85AwUQSwf=yYL4fRPR1843Ov8wOSZO3S0SxYn8LZZkfoXihw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

I have a problem that I hope someone here can help me with.  I'm repairing
an old film camera that I bought from eBay.  I fixed the original
(mechanical) problem, but in the process have somehow severed part of a
ribbon that powers the exposure indicator LEDs in the viewfinder.

The ribbon is of the clear flexible plastic kind, with copper conductors
embedded inside it.  Three of its five tracks tracks are affected by the
tear.  Does anyone have any tips for repairing this sort of damage?

Thanks in advance,
Tom :)
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From napalmllama at gmail.com  Tue Apr 30 22:07:27 2013
From: napalmllama at gmail.com (Tom Lloyd)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 22:07:27 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Advice, please!
In-Reply-To: <CAO=DJn8C7FVRTwFqofJ4xE2YHbuDa6usED86L6NGze0TpraScw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAF85AwUQSwf=yYL4fRPR1843Ov8wOSZO3S0SxYn8LZZkfoXihw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAO=DJn8C7FVRTwFqofJ4xE2YHbuDa6usED86L6NGze0TpraScw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAF85AwVrbZK2ddtepqihpMdGnnCo5ptEo9KsCSNqSuzrabU6jw@mail.gmail.com>

Ha, I have almost none of those things.  Ordinary, flux-cored solder, a
cheap soldering iron (which has still served me well) and a Stanley knife.
Perhaps now is the time to invest in some new tools!

-- Tom


On 30 April 2013 21:56, ceri clatworthy <ceri.clatworthy at gmail.com> wrote:

> If it is a plastic ribbon, with flat metal strips,  as opposed to wire,
> then  I recommend low melting point solder, fine filament wire, temperature
> control iron, scalpel and lots of flux
> And even more patience.
>
> Or find a replacement in farnell
> Cheeres
>
> Ceri
> On Apr 30, 2013 8:03 PM, "Tom Lloyd" <napalmllama at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I have a problem that I hope someone here can help me with.  I'm
>> repairing an old film camera that I bought from eBay.  I fixed the original
>> (mechanical) problem, but in the process have somehow severed part of a
>> ribbon that powers the exposure indicator LEDs in the viewfinder.
>>
>> The ribbon is of the clear flexible plastic kind, with copper conductors
>> embedded inside it.  Three of its five tracks tracks are affected by the
>> tear.  Does anyone have any tips for repairing this sort of damage?
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Tom :)
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Hackspace mailing list
>> Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
>>
>>
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