[Swansea Hackspace] Re: Community building

Wed Apr 24 20:48:14 BST 2013

How about a wiki? 

Sorry to knock the forum idea, but I think it is a really poor way of structuring information, especially complex technical information that is probably subject to change.

I will happily set one up on www.SwanseaHackspace.org and host it temporarily for free (until it finds an independent home).

-- Paul

On 24 Apr 2013, at 18:26, Tim Moore <timmoore47 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Forums are a great long term repository for technical solutions provided there is a good 'search' facility.  (mail lists are not IMHO ) 
> 
> A good Forum is of equal benefit as a 'HackSpace' facility to make stuff for those who can easily get to Swansea.
> 
> I think that is a bit of a no-brainer, so if anyone is more skilled than I, to pop a Forum on www.SwanseaHackspace.org, I'd be pleased to fund the www site costs.
> 
> (Is that title ok ?)
> 
> :  )))
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> Tim_1
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>    1. Community building (Andrew Price)
>    2. Re: Community building (Justin Mitchell)
>    3. Re: Community building (Tom Lloyd)
>    4. Re: Community building (Paul Harwood)
>    5. Re: Community building (Tom Lloyd)
>    6. Re: Community building (Justin Mitchell)
>    7. Re: Community building (Andrew Price)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 12:30:00 +0100
> From: Andrew Price <andy at andrewprice.me.uk>
> Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Community building
> To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
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> On 24/04/13 10:50, Paul Harwood wrote:
> > Starting a successful community is very hard.
> 
> Absolutely. I'm already noticing that we're not a very diverse bunch so
> we really should put some early effort into making the environment as
> comfortable and welcoming as possible to anyone who might want to get
> involved.
> 
> How do we feel about drawing up a general code-of-conduct kind of
> policy? It doesn't have to be long and detailed, just something that
> generally states that we're an inclusive community which doesn't
> tolerate discrimination, abuse or harassment.
> 
> Andy
> 
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 12:39:33 +0100
> From: Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Community building
> To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> Message-ID: <1366803573.9429.16.camel at quartz.geode.org.uk>
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> On Wed, 2013-04-24 at 12:21 +0100, Tim Moore wrote:
> > Does any member have the knowledge to pop up a Forum type www site
> > like this :-
> >
> >  http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/index.php?sid=965c39f37fada4d4899c7c6d13e24f55
> >
> 
> I can easily set up a copy of phpBB or similar,
> it's more do we really want to,
> 
> as briefly discussed in the first meeting, web forums are a pull
> technology, you have to actively remember to go and check them for
> updates, where as mailing lists are push, updates come to you.
> 
> I can setup any number of mailing lists easily, its all running on my
> own hosted server anyway.
> 
> hardest part is naming it, community at ...  or discuss at ... ?
> 
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 13:12:17 +0100
> From: Tom Lloyd <napalmllama at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Community building
> To: Andrew Price <andy at andrewprice.me.uk>
> Cc: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
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> How about keeping hackspace@ for admin related stuff, and setting up either
> a new list or a forum for general discussion? I think a list would be
> better, at least until we have more people. We could call it general@ or
> talk at .
> A technical list might be a good idea too, for help with those matters.
> 
> -- Tom
> On Apr 24, 2013 12:30 PM, "Andrew Price" <andy at andrewprice.me.uk> wrote:
> 
> > On 24/04/13 10:50, Paul Harwood wrote:
> >
> >> Starting a successful community is very hard.
> >>
> >
> > Absolutely. I'm already noticing that we're not a very diverse bunch so we
> > really should put some early effort into making the environment as
> > comfortable and welcoming as possible to anyone who might want to get
> > involved.
> >
> > How do we feel about drawing up a general code-of-conduct kind of policy?
> > It doesn't have to be long and detailed, just something that generally
> > states that we're an inclusive community which doesn't tolerate
> > discrimination, abuse or harassment.
> >
> > Andy
> >
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 13:56:53 +0100
> From: Paul Harwood <paul at harwood-leon.com>
> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Community building
> To: Tom Lloyd <napalmllama at gmail.com>
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> All I can say it that on the Bristol Hackspace list (which I have been following for a few months) there is no real distinction and the threads are all lumped into the main Hackspace list as far as I can tell (admin, chat, access issues). They seem to have a thriving list. I could be wrong there, but that is my impression.
> 
> In the inclusive nature of these things - I would also argue that administrative issues are everyones business, as their implications may affect everyone.
> 
> Issues of a private nature are best sent directly to individuals, such as the one I am about to send to Justin about a possible space (with plans that cannot go onto a public archive). Further details can be then filtered down to the list for everyone to see at the individuals discretion.
> 
> @talk is not a bad idea, but it would create a bit of a dilemma for topics that cross the divide - such as chatting about venues for meetings.
> 
> Perhaps a simpler solution would be to mark administrative items with "ADMIN - thread name" or things that are blatantly off topic can be market with "OT - Thread name". Then people can set up their email filters accordingly (i.e. if they only want to get admin messages). As a convention, not a rule though.
> 
> As for a code-of-conduct - absolutely.
> 
> Forums - nope, bad idea.
> 
> :)
> 
> Paul
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> On 24 Apr 2013, at 13:12, Tom Lloyd <napalmllama at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > A technical list might be a good idea too, for help with those matters.
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> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 14:57:52 +0100
> From: Tom Lloyd <napalmllama at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Community building
> To: Paul Harwood <paul at harwood-leon.com>
> Cc: "hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk"
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> All lists would be open - I meant to have separate lists purely so admin
> and organisational business doesn't get lost amongst general chit chat.
> Subject line prefixes could do this job too, although I lean more toward
> separate lists, as the functionality is already there in Mailman and it
> keeps things nicely sorted.  Justin's the one who actually has to do it, so
> up to him :)
> 
> Re. guidelines, good idea - but let's avoid hard rules where possible.
> Where there are rules there are rules-nazis, and nobody likes them.
> 
> -- Tom
> 
> 
> On 24 April 2013 13:56, Paul Harwood <paul at harwood-leon.com> wrote:
> 
> > All I can say it that on the Bristol Hackspace list (which I have been
> > following for a few months) there is no real distinction and the threads
> > are all lumped into the main Hackspace list as far as I can tell (admin,
> > chat, access issues). They seem to have a thriving list. I could be wrong
> > there, but that is my impression.
> >
> > In the inclusive nature of these things - I would also argue that
> > administrative issues are everyones business, as their implications may
> > affect everyone.
> >
> > Issues of a private nature are best sent directly to individuals, such as
> > the one I am about to send to Justin about a possible space (with plans
> > that cannot go onto a public archive). Further details can be then filtered
> > down to the list for everyone to see at the individuals discretion.
> >
> > @talk is not a bad idea, but it would create a bit of a dilemma for topics
> > that cross the divide - such as chatting about venues for meetings.
> >
> > Perhaps a simpler solution would be to mark administrative items with
> > "ADMIN - thread name" or things that are blatantly off topic can be market
> > with "OT - Thread name". Then people can set up their email filters
> > accordingly (i.e. if they only want to get admin messages). As a
> > convention, not a rule though.
> >
> > As for a code-of-conduct - absolutely.
> >
> > Forums - nope, bad idea.
> >
> > :)
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > On 24 Apr 2013, at 13:12, Tom Lloyd <napalmllama at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > A technical list might be a good idea too, for help with those matters.
> >
> >
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 16:33:54 +0100
> From: Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Community building
> To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
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> On Wed, 2013-04-24 at 14:57 +0100, Tom Lloyd wrote:
> > All lists would be open - I meant to have separate lists purely so
> > admin and organisational business doesn't get lost amongst general
> > chit chat.  Subject line prefixes could do this job too, although I
> > lean more toward separate lists, as the functionality is already there
> > in Mailman and it keeps things nicely sorted.  Justin's the one who
> > actually has to do it, so up to him :)
> 
> Just reading through the docs, mailman has a concept of 'topics' within
> one mailing list.  once defined you can tag your emails to belong to a
> specific topic, and users can select which ones they want / dont want to
> receive.
> 
> http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/node29.html
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 16:45:21 +0100
> From: Andrew Price <andy at andrewprice.me.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Community building
> To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> Message-ID: <5177FE11.7030908 at andrewprice.me.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
> 
> On 24/04/13 16:33, Justin Mitchell wrote:
> > On Wed, 2013-04-24 at 14:57 +0100, Tom Lloyd wrote:
> >> All lists would be open - I meant to have separate lists purely so
> >> admin and organisational business doesn't get lost amongst general
> >> chit chat.  Subject line prefixes could do this job too, although I
> >> lean more toward separate lists, as the functionality is already there
> >> in Mailman and it keeps things nicely sorted.  Justin's the one who
> >> actually has to do it, so up to him :)
> >
> > Just reading through the docs, mailman has a concept of 'topics' within
> > one mailing list.  once defined you can tag your emails to belong to a
> > specific topic, and users can select which ones they want / dont want to
> > receive.
> >
> > http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/node29.html
> 
> "but it is the responsibility of each poster to make sure that their
> post is put with the correct topic"
> 
> Um, yeah, that's not going to work well. Separate lists would be fine.
> 
> Andy
> 
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