From justin at discordia.org.uk  Thu Aug  1 10:28:04 2013
From: justin at discordia.org.uk (Justin Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2013 10:28:04 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Ideas for workshops
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On Wed, 2013-07-31 at 17:28 +0100, Graham Owens wrote:
> I think other ideas that were mentioned were:

Thanks for all these ideas guys.

My first tutorial covered connecting LEDs and switches, and demonstrated
the importance of debouncing switch inputs. but didnt otherwise go into
the reasons why.

I can see the argument that we should include at least some simple
explanations of the why, although i am unsure the best way to deliver
that. I felt that the worksheet approach worked well, with everyone
working at their own pace leaving me free to give specific help where
required. So i suppose i should try to work some explanations into the
worksheet where possible.

I also plan to put the resulting worksheets and support materials online
for future, and other peoples, reference.

> Communicating with a microcontroller from a PC.  I think this is the
> technical workshop for a week monday.
Yes, thats my plan.

> I have 2xPickit 3's that I can bring (Mabey a 3rd and a Pickit 2)  So
> if anyone needs to use one, they are more than welcome.
That would be very helpful, last time we all had to share the one
pickit2 i brought.



I am trying to put together a list of components for the starter kit to
base these tutorials on. It doesnt have to contain everything we might
cover, like servos etc, as we can always do booster packs later. I was
hoping to keep the cost under a tenner each, but have enough components
to cover plenty of tutorial options, and allow some tinkering.

So far i have come up with this list, can people please give their
suggestions:

PIC16F1455 
MB102 Breadboard
Jumper wire kit
Long pinned header for programmer connection
USB Uart board and cable (possibly CP1202 based)
LEDs a handful of different colours + limiting resistors
Small push button switches
Piezo Buzzer
LDR and/or Thermistor

I also need to get an idea of how many people would like to buy these
kits so i can bulk order the components to save us money.







From gerrit.niezen at gmail.com  Thu Aug  1 10:46:48 2013
From: gerrit.niezen at gmail.com (Gerrit Niezen)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 10:46:48 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Ideas for workshops
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There is a nice little power supply module for the MB102 breadboard:
http://www.thelittlebritishrobotcompany.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=79

It allows you to power the breadboard rails from a 6.5-12V power plug or USB at either 5V or 3.3V. I'm sure you can get them even cheaper than what I've listed above.

I was wondering if it's at all possible to make the tutorials more microcontroller-agnostic? I prefer using Arduino, and others have their own favourite micro and development platform.

Cheers,
Gerrit

On 1 Aug 2013, at 10:28, Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk> wrote:

> On Wed, 2013-07-31 at 17:28 +0100, Graham Owens wrote:
>> I think other ideas that were mentioned were:
> 
> Thanks for all these ideas guys.
> 
> My first tutorial covered connecting LEDs and switches, and demonstrated
> the importance of debouncing switch inputs. but didnt otherwise go into
> the reasons why.
> 
> I can see the argument that we should include at least some simple
> explanations of the why, although i am unsure the best way to deliver
> that. I felt that the worksheet approach worked well, with everyone
> working at their own pace leaving me free to give specific help where
> required. So i suppose i should try to work some explanations into the
> worksheet where possible.
> 
> I also plan to put the resulting worksheets and support materials online
> for future, and other peoples, reference.
> 
>> Communicating with a microcontroller from a PC.  I think this is the
>> technical workshop for a week monday.
> Yes, thats my plan.
> 
>> I have 2xPickit 3's that I can bring (Mabey a 3rd and a Pickit 2)  So
>> if anyone needs to use one, they are more than welcome.
> That would be very helpful, last time we all had to share the one
> pickit2 i brought.
> 
> 
> 
> I am trying to put together a list of components for the starter kit to
> base these tutorials on. It doesnt have to contain everything we might
> cover, like servos etc, as we can always do booster packs later. I was
> hoping to keep the cost under a tenner each, but have enough components
> to cover plenty of tutorial options, and allow some tinkering.
> 
> So far i have come up with this list, can people please give their
> suggestions:
> 
> PIC16F1455 
> MB102 Breadboard
> Jumper wire kit
> Long pinned header for programmer connection
> USB Uart board and cable (possibly CP1202 based)
> LEDs a handful of different colours + limiting resistors
> Small push button switches
> Piezo Buzzer
> LDR and/or Thermistor
> 
> I also need to get an idea of how many people would like to buy these
> kits so i can bulk order the components to save us money.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From napalmllama at gmail.com  Thu Aug  1 10:51:35 2013
From: napalmllama at gmail.com (Tom Lloyd)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 10:51:35 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Ideas for workshops
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I would pay for this kit, as long as the cost wasn't outrageous.

A quick Google search for "MB102" throws up a plethora of different power
supply boards.  Seems like a useful thing to include.  They mostly have
micro-USB input, so BYO phone charger?

Tom


On 1 August 2013 10:46, Gerrit Niezen <gerrit.niezen at gmail.com> wrote:

> There is a nice little power supply module for the MB102 breadboard:
>
> http://www.thelittlebritishrobotcompany.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=79
>
> It allows you to power the breadboard rails from a 6.5-12V power plug or
> USB at either 5V or 3.3V. I'm sure you can get them even cheaper than what
> I've listed above.
>
> I was wondering if it's at all possible to make the tutorials more
> microcontroller-agnostic? I prefer using Arduino, and others have their own
> favourite micro and development platform.
>
> Cheers,
> Gerrit
>
> On 1 Aug 2013, at 10:28, Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 2013-07-31 at 17:28 +0100, Graham Owens wrote:
>
> I think other ideas that were mentioned were:
>
>
> Thanks for all these ideas guys.
>
> My first tutorial covered connecting LEDs and switches, and demonstrated
> the importance of debouncing switch inputs. but didnt otherwise go into
> the reasons why.
>
> I can see the argument that we should include at least some simple
> explanations of the why, although i am unsure the best way to deliver
> that. I felt that the worksheet approach worked well, with everyone
> working at their own pace leaving me free to give specific help where
> required. So i suppose i should try to work some explanations into the
> worksheet where possible.
>
> I also plan to put the resulting worksheets and support materials online
> for future, and other peoples, reference.
>
> Communicating with a microcontroller from a PC.  I think this is the
> technical workshop for a week monday.
>
> Yes, thats my plan.
>
> I have 2xPickit 3's that I can bring (Mabey a 3rd and a Pickit 2)  So
> if anyone needs to use one, they are more than welcome.
>
> That would be very helpful, last time we all had to share the one
> pickit2 i brought.
>
>
>
> I am trying to put together a list of components for the starter kit to
> base these tutorials on. It doesnt have to contain everything we might
> cover, like servos etc, as we can always do booster packs later. I was
> hoping to keep the cost under a tenner each, but have enough components
> to cover plenty of tutorial options, and allow some tinkering.
>
> So far i have come up with this list, can people please give their
> suggestions:
>
> PIC16F1455
> MB102 Breadboard
> Jumper wire kit
> Long pinned header for programmer connection
> USB Uart board and cable (possibly CP1202 based)
> LEDs a handful of different colours + limiting resistors
> Small push button switches
> Piezo Buzzer
> LDR and/or Thermistor
>
> I also need to get an idea of how many people would like to buy these
> kits so i can bulk order the components to save us money.
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Hackspace mailing list
> Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
>
>
>
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From eclipse at sucs.org  Thu Aug  1 10:55:31 2013
From: eclipse at sucs.org (Tim Clark)
Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2013 10:55:31 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Ideas for workshops
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The USB -> UART boards usually provide the USB power as well as data so 
can work as a power supply, some even provide 5v and 3.3v.

Tim
On 01/08/2013 10:46, Gerrit Niezen wrote:
> There is a nice little power supply module for the MB102 breadboard:
> http://www.thelittlebritishrobotcompany.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=79
>
> It allows you to power the breadboard rails from a 6.5-12V power plug 
> or USB at either 5V or 3.3V. I'm sure you can get them even cheaper 
> than what I've listed above.
>
> I was wondering if it's at all possible to make the tutorials more 
> microcontroller-agnostic? I prefer using Arduino, and others have 
> their own favourite micro and development platform.
>
> Cheers,
> Gerrit
>
> On 1 Aug 2013, at 10:28, Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk 
> <mailto:justin at discordia.org.uk>> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 2013-07-31 at 17:28 +0100, Graham Owens wrote:
>>> I think other ideas that were mentioned were:
>>
>> Thanks for all these ideas guys.
>>
>> My first tutorial covered connecting LEDs and switches, and demonstrated
>> the importance of debouncing switch inputs. but didnt otherwise go into
>> the reasons why.
>>
>> I can see the argument that we should include at least some simple
>> explanations of the why, although i am unsure the best way to deliver
>> that. I felt that the worksheet approach worked well, with everyone
>> working at their own pace leaving me free to give specific help where
>> required. So i suppose i should try to work some explanations into the
>> worksheet where possible.
>>
>> I also plan to put the resulting worksheets and support materials online
>> for future, and other peoples, reference.
>>
>>> Communicating with a microcontroller from a PC.  I think this is the
>>> technical workshop for a week monday.
>> Yes, thats my plan.
>>
>>> I have 2xPickit 3's that I can bring (Mabey a 3rd and a Pickit 2)  So
>>> if anyone needs to use one, they are more than welcome.
>> That would be very helpful, last time we all had to share the one
>> pickit2 i brought.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am trying to put together a list of components for the starter kit to
>> base these tutorials on. It doesnt have to contain everything we might
>> cover, like servos etc, as we can always do booster packs later. I was
>> hoping to keep the cost under a tenner each, but have enough components
>> to cover plenty of tutorial options, and allow some tinkering.
>>
>> So far i have come up with this list, can people please give their
>> suggestions:
>>
>> PIC16F1455
>> MB102 Breadboard
>> Jumper wire kit
>> Long pinned header for programmer connection
>> USB Uart board and cable (possibly CP1202 based)
>> LEDs a handful of different colours + limiting resistors
>> Small push button switches
>> Piezo Buzzer
>> LDR and/or Thermistor
>>
>> I also need to get an idea of how many people would like to buy these
>> kits so i can bulk order the components to save us money.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk 
>> <mailto:Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk>
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From justin at discordia.org.uk  Thu Aug  1 11:04:46 2013
From: justin at discordia.org.uk (Justin Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2013 11:04:46 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Ideas for workshops
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On Thu, 2013-08-01 at 10:51 +0100, Tom Lloyd wrote:
> I would pay for this kit, as long as the cost wasn't outrageous.
> 
> A quick Google search for "MB102" throws up a plethora of different
> power supply boards.  Seems like a useful thing to include.  They
> mostly have micro-USB input, so BYO phone charger?
> 

I was hoping to keep the whole kit to under a tenner, which will be
easier if i can place a bulk order from china/hongkong, means a two week
wait on those parts but they are half the price.

eg the breadboards are ?1.86 and those psu boards are ?1 if bought that
way






From napalmllama at gmail.com  Thu Aug  1 11:12:01 2013
From: napalmllama at gmail.com (Tom Lloyd)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 11:12:01 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Ideas for workshops
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Sounds good.  It's a 4 week wait between tech meetings anyway.


On 1 August 2013 11:04, Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk> wrote:

> On Thu, 2013-08-01 at 10:51 +0100, Tom Lloyd wrote:
> > I would pay for this kit, as long as the cost wasn't outrageous.
> >
> > A quick Google search for "MB102" throws up a plethora of different
> > power supply boards.  Seems like a useful thing to include.  They
> > mostly have micro-USB input, so BYO phone charger?
> >
>
> I was hoping to keep the whole kit to under a tenner, which will be
> easier if i can place a bulk order from china/hongkong, means a two week
> wait on those parts but they are half the price.
>
> eg the breadboards are ?1.86 and those psu boards are ?1 if bought that
> way
>
>
>
>
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From justin at discordia.org.uk  Thu Aug  1 11:17:32 2013
From: justin at discordia.org.uk (Justin Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2013 11:17:32 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Ideas for workshops
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On Thu, 2013-08-01 at 10:46 +0100, Gerrit Niezen wrote:
> There is a nice little power supply module for the MB102 breadboard:
> http://www.thelittlebritishrobotcompany.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=79
> 
> 
> It allows you to power the breadboard rails from a 6.5-12V power plug
> or USB at either 5V or 3.3V. I'm sure you can get them even cheaper
> than what I've listed above.

Yes, ?1, as stated in other email, will add it to the list.

> I was wondering if it's at all possible to make the tutorials more
> microcontroller-agnostic? I prefer using Arduino, and others have
> their own favourite micro and development platform.

Well, i would hope that the general lesson of how you connect things,
and the methodology of talking to them would be universal.

Trying to keep the code to C makes it a bit more agnostic, but
ultimately there will be differences in how you access a particular IO
port or feature on different chips.

Off the top of my head we would need to write the code again for each
platform, or a possible bodge would be to write a wrapper library for
PIC that acted the same as the libraries the arduino compiler gives.

 





From timmoore47 at gmail.com  Thu Aug  1 11:30:42 2013
From: timmoore47 at gmail.com (Tim Moore)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 11:30:42 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 1
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I'd come along for anything PIC  , and happy to buy any kit/components
needed.  I have a PICkit2 and USB but my laptop is seriously duff only good
for burning hex files onto a 8 legged PIC.

Using the laptop for MPLAB is out.

(can not  do Monday 12th Aug)

Tim_1



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> Hi people,
>
> Additional ideas for the technical workshops.
>
> I was thinking that - if it has not already been covered, a potential
> future workshop could build on the PIC workshops that have been done.
>
> The idea is basically to learn the basic input/output blocks.
>
> examples,
>
> many new people to microcontrollers, connect a switch between +5v to the
> pic input pin, then get frustrated that the switch is unreliable due to
> floating when the switch is open.  The block would be a switch, with the
> the pull-up or down as required.  Explanation of why the pull-up/down
> resistor is required.
>
> a simple relay output from the pic, using an easily obtainable mostfet to
> drive the relay, and include the protection diode.  Again explain how it
> works, and why we need the mosfet, and what the purpose of the protection
> diode is.
>
> a simple piezo buzzer, including any protection resistors.
>
> a simple potential divider, explain how to calulate the drop between the
> input and output.
>
> how to correctly connect an led, and calculate the current limiting
> resistor.
>
> It would be my hope that these building blocks were universal, and could be
> applied to any other controller type such as AVR, arduino etc. as well as
> non uP controlled projects.  For example using the switch module connected
> directly to the relay module would still produce a nicer circuit than
> running the coil voltage through the switch directly.
>
> The basic idea is to build a small library of very simple circuits that can
> be combined with the existing pic workshops so that people can go away and
> build circuits of their own, that will hopefully be reliable, and can be
> combined into larger projects by just duplicating these small blocks.
>
> This is probably a horrible description, but I hope that people understand
> what I mean.
>
> Additionally, would there be any interest in TTL LOGIC as a workshop?
>
> Graham
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> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 16:29:53 +0100
> From: Tom Lloyd <napalmllama at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Ideas for workshops
> To: Graham Owens <grahamowensuk at googlemail.com>
> Cc: "hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk"
>         <hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk>
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> That sounds like a great idea.  I for one could do with some more basic
> electronics knowledge.
>
> What else did we come up with at the social?
> I suggested an introduction to the operating principles of transistors, by
> building a very basic headphone amplifier.  What was the other idea?
>
> Tom
>
>
> On 31 July 2013 13:56, Graham Owens <grahamowensuk at googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi people,
> >
> > Additional ideas for the technical workshops.
> >
> > I was thinking that - if it has not already been covered, a potential
> > future workshop could build on the PIC workshops that have been done.
> >
> > The idea is basically to learn the basic input/output blocks.
> >
> > examples,
> >
> > many new people to microcontrollers, connect a switch between +5v to the
> > pic input pin, then get frustrated that the switch is unreliable due to
> > floating when the switch is open.  The block would be a switch, with the
> > the pull-up or down as required.  Explanation of why the pull-up/down
> > resistor is required.
> >
> > a simple relay output from the pic, using an easily obtainable mostfet to
> > drive the relay, and include the protection diode.  Again explain how it
> > works, and why we need the mosfet, and what the purpose of the protection
> > diode is.
> >
> > a simple piezo buzzer, including any protection resistors.
> >
> > a simple potential divider, explain how to calulate the drop between the
> > input and output.
> >
> > how to correctly connect an led, and calculate the current limiting
> > resistor.
> >
> > It would be my hope that these building blocks were universal, and could
> > be applied to any other controller type such as AVR, arduino etc. as well
> > as non uP controlled projects.  For example using the switch module
> > connected directly to the relay module would still produce a nicer
> circuit
> > than running the coil voltage through the switch directly.
> >
> > The basic idea is to build a small library of very simple circuits that
> > can be combined with the existing pic workshops so that people can go
> away
> > and build circuits of their own, that will hopefully be reliable, and can
> > be combined into larger projects by just duplicating these small blocks.
> >
> > This is probably a horrible description, but I hope that people
> understand
> > what I mean.
> >
> > Additionally, would there be any interest in TTL LOGIC as a workshop?
> >
> > Graham
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 17:28:27 +0100
> From: Graham Owens <grahamowensuk at googlemail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Ideas for workshops
> Cc: "hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk"
>         <hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk>
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> I think other ideas that were mentioned were:
>
> Output control, eg. making things happen in the real world, for example
> motor control or servo control.
>
> Communicating with a microcontroller from a PC.  I think this is the
> technical workshop for a week monday.
>
> I have 2xPickit 3's that I can bring (Mabey a 3rd and a Pickit 2)  So if
> anyone needs to use one, they are more than welcome.
>
> Graham
>
>
> On 31 July 2013 16:29, Tom Lloyd <napalmllama at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > That sounds like a great idea.  I for one could do with some more basic
> > electronics knowledge.
> >
> > What else did we come up with at the social?
> > I suggested an introduction to the operating principles of transistors,
> by
> > building a very basic headphone amplifier.  What was the other idea?
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >
> > On 31 July 2013 13:56, Graham Owens <grahamowensuk at googlemail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi people,
> >>
> >> Additional ideas for the technical workshops.
> >>
> >> I was thinking that - if it has not already been covered, a potential
> >> future workshop could build on the PIC workshops that have been done.
> >>
> >> The idea is basically to learn the basic input/output blocks.
> >>
> >> examples,
> >>
> >> many new people to microcontrollers, connect a switch between +5v to the
> >> pic input pin, then get frustrated that the switch is unreliable due to
> >> floating when the switch is open.  The block would be a switch, with the
> >> the pull-up or down as required.  Explanation of why the pull-up/down
> >> resistor is required.
> >>
> >> a simple relay output from the pic, using an easily obtainable mostfet
> to
> >> drive the relay, and include the protection diode.  Again explain how it
> >> works, and why we need the mosfet, and what the purpose of the
> protection
> >> diode is.
> >>
> >> a simple piezo buzzer, including any protection resistors.
> >>
> >> a simple potential divider, explain how to calulate the drop between the
> >> input and output.
> >>
> >> how to correctly connect an led, and calculate the current limiting
> >> resistor.
> >>
> >> It would be my hope that these building blocks were universal, and could
> >> be applied to any other controller type such as AVR, arduino etc. as
> well
> >> as non uP controlled projects.  For example using the switch module
> >> connected directly to the relay module would still produce a nicer
> circuit
> >> than running the coil voltage through the switch directly.
> >>
> >> The basic idea is to build a small library of very simple circuits that
> >> can be combined with the existing pic workshops so that people can go
> away
> >> and build circuits of their own, that will hopefully be reliable, and
> can
> >> be combined into larger projects by just duplicating these small blocks.
> >>
> >> This is probably a horrible description, but I hope that people
> >> understand what I mean.
> >>
> >> Additionally, would there be any interest in TTL LOGIC as a workshop?
> >>
> >> Graham
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Hackspace mailing list
> >> Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> >> http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
> >>
> >>
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> Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2013 10:28:04 +0100
> From: Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Ideas for workshops
> To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> Message-ID: <1375349284.16524.17.camel at justin.llw.rokcorp.com>
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> On Wed, 2013-07-31 at 17:28 +0100, Graham Owens wrote:
> > I think other ideas that were mentioned were:
>
> Thanks for all these ideas guys.
>
> My first tutorial covered connecting LEDs and switches, and demonstrated
> the importance of debouncing switch inputs. but didnt otherwise go into
> the reasons why.
>
> I can see the argument that we should include at least some simple
> explanations of the why, although i am unsure the best way to deliver
> that. I felt that the worksheet approach worked well, with everyone
> working at their own pace leaving me free to give specific help where
> required. So i suppose i should try to work some explanations into the
> worksheet where possible.
>
> I also plan to put the resulting worksheets and support materials online
> for future, and other peoples, reference.
>
> > Communicating with a microcontroller from a PC.  I think this is the
> > technical workshop for a week monday.
> Yes, thats my plan.
>
> > I have 2xPickit 3's that I can bring (Mabey a 3rd and a Pickit 2)  So
> > if anyone needs to use one, they are more than welcome.
> That would be very helpful, last time we all had to share the one
> pickit2 i brought.
>
>
>
> I am trying to put together a list of components for the starter kit to
> base these tutorials on. It doesnt have to contain everything we might
> cover, like servos etc, as we can always do booster packs later. I was
> hoping to keep the cost under a tenner each, but have enough components
> to cover plenty of tutorial options, and allow some tinkering.
>
> So far i have come up with this list, can people please give their
> suggestions:
>
> PIC16F1455
> MB102 Breadboard
> Jumper wire kit
> Long pinned header for programmer connection
> USB Uart board and cable (possibly CP1202 based)
> LEDs a handful of different colours + limiting resistors
> Small push button switches
> Piezo Buzzer
> LDR and/or Thermistor
>
> I also need to get an idea of how many people would like to buy these
> kits so i can bulk order the components to save us money.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 10:46:48 +0100
> From: Gerrit Niezen <gerrit.niezen at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Ideas for workshops
> To: Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk>
> Cc: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> Message-ID: <88447DE4-DD9F-4395-890F-CEBAFE0C21EB at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> There is a nice little power supply module for the MB102 breadboard:
>
> http://www.thelittlebritishrobotcompany.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=79
>
> It allows you to power the breadboard rails from a 6.5-12V power plug or
> USB at either 5V or 3.3V. I'm sure you can get them even cheaper than what
> I've listed above.
>
> I was wondering if it's at all possible to make the tutorials more
> microcontroller-agnostic? I prefer using Arduino, and others have their own
> favourite micro and development platform.
>
> Cheers,
> Gerrit
>
> On 1 Aug 2013, at 10:28, Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 2013-07-31 at 17:28 +0100, Graham Owens wrote:
> >> I think other ideas that were mentioned were:
> >
> > Thanks for all these ideas guys.
> >
> > My first tutorial covered connecting LEDs and switches, and demonstrated
> > the importance of debouncing switch inputs. but didnt otherwise go into
> > the reasons why.
> >
> > I can see the argument that we should include at least some simple
> > explanations of the why, although i am unsure the best way to deliver
> > that. I felt that the worksheet approach worked well, with everyone
> > working at their own pace leaving me free to give specific help where
> > required. So i suppose i should try to work some explanations into the
> > worksheet where possible.
> >
> > I also plan to put the resulting worksheets and support materials online
> > for future, and other peoples, reference.
> >
> >> Communicating with a microcontroller from a PC.  I think this is the
> >> technical workshop for a week monday.
> > Yes, thats my plan.
> >
> >> I have 2xPickit 3's that I can bring (Mabey a 3rd and a Pickit 2)  So
> >> if anyone needs to use one, they are more than welcome.
> > That would be very helpful, last time we all had to share the one
> > pickit2 i brought.
> >
> >
> >
> > I am trying to put together a list of components for the starter kit to
> > base these tutorials on. It doesnt have to contain everything we might
> > cover, like servos etc, as we can always do booster packs later. I was
> > hoping to keep the cost under a tenner each, but have enough components
> > to cover plenty of tutorial options, and allow some tinkering.
> >
> > So far i have come up with this list, can people please give their
> > suggestions:
> >
> > PIC16F1455
> > MB102 Breadboard
> > Jumper wire kit
> > Long pinned header for programmer connection
> > USB Uart board and cable (possibly CP1202 based)
> > LEDs a handful of different colours + limiting resistors
> > Small push button switches
> > Piezo Buzzer
> > LDR and/or Thermistor
> >
> > I also need to get an idea of how many people would like to buy these
> > kits so i can bulk order the components to save us money.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Hackspace mailing list
> > Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> > http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
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From grahamowensuk at googlemail.com  Thu Aug  1 14:03:25 2013
From: grahamowensuk at googlemail.com (Graham Owens)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 14:03:25 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 3
In-Reply-To: <201308011030.r71AUrLh009920@stoneship.org.uk>
References: <201308011030.r71AUrLh009920@stoneship.org.uk>
Message-ID: <CAJqsN4TkSukN0QObwxcoDkEFYg6U7TeWhmujWzMkmFe7DfsH-w@mail.gmail.com>

Justin,
I think your starter kit sounds great, although I will not require the kit
- as I have all the parts on there.

I have some tact switches here that fit breadboard - id be willing to
donate enough to give everyone mabey 2 or 3 each if that helps, also any
resistors that are needed (I bought the stock of a closing down pcb fab
house about 8 years ago) so i have literally millions, if you can let me
know what values you want to include.  I can also spare a hundred or so
100nF(104 labeled) bypass caps (everybody needs bypass caps right :) ), and
some 10uF electrolytic caps each (thats what I dot about my boards).

Let me know if any of this stuff is useful and i'll bring it along next
time.  (someone else will have to divide it up into poly bags for each
person)

Thanks

Graham


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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2013 11:17:32 +0100
> From: Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Ideas for workshops
> To: hackspace <hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk>
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> On Thu, 2013-08-01 at 10:46 +0100, Gerrit Niezen wrote:
> > There is a nice little power supply module for the MB102 breadboard:
> >
> http://www.thelittlebritishrobotcompany.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=79
> >
> >
> > It allows you to power the breadboard rails from a 6.5-12V power plug
> > or USB at either 5V or 3.3V. I'm sure you can get them even cheaper
> > than what I've listed above.
>
> Yes, ?1, as stated in other email, will add it to the list.
>
> > I was wondering if it's at all possible to make the tutorials more
> > microcontroller-agnostic? I prefer using Arduino, and others have
> > their own favourite micro and development platform.
>
> Well, i would hope that the general lesson of how you connect things,
> and the methodology of talking to them would be universal.
>
> Trying to keep the code to C makes it a bit more agnostic, but
> ultimately there will be differences in how you access a particular IO
> port or feature on different chips.
>
> Off the top of my head we would need to write the code again for each
> platform, or a possible bodge would be to write a wrapper library for
> PIC that acted the same as the libraries the arduino compiler gives.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 11:30:42 +0100
> From: Tim Moore <timmoore47 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 1
> To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
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> I'd come along for anything PIC  , and happy to buy any kit/components
> needed.  I have a PICkit2 and USB but my laptop is seriously duff only good
> for burning hex files onto a 8 legged PIC.
>
> Using the laptop for MPLAB is out.
>
> (can not  do Monday 12th Aug)
>
> Tim_1
>
>
>
> On 1 August 2013 10:46, <hackspace-request at swansea.hackspace.org.uk>
> wrote:
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> >    2. Re: Ideas for workshops (Tom Lloyd)
> >    3. Re: Ideas for workshops (Graham Owens)
> >    4. Re: Ideas for workshops (Justin Mitchell)
> >    5. Re: Ideas for workshops (Gerrit Niezen)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 13:56:09 +0100
> > From: Graham Owens <grahamowensuk at googlemail.com>
> > Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Ideas for workshops
> > To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> > Message-ID:
> >         <
> > CAJqsN4Ts9e_C+wedkfWg_w0P_jZjc5M1brEF_H9O2C_CpkqNfw at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > Hi people,
> >
> > Additional ideas for the technical workshops.
> >
> > I was thinking that - if it has not already been covered, a potential
> > future workshop could build on the PIC workshops that have been done.
> >
> > The idea is basically to learn the basic input/output blocks.
> >
> > examples,
> >
> > many new people to microcontrollers, connect a switch between +5v to the
> > pic input pin, then get frustrated that the switch is unreliable due to
> > floating when the switch is open.  The block would be a switch, with the
> > the pull-up or down as required.  Explanation of why the pull-up/down
> > resistor is required.
> >
> > a simple relay output from the pic, using an easily obtainable mostfet to
> > drive the relay, and include the protection diode.  Again explain how it
> > works, and why we need the mosfet, and what the purpose of the protection
> > diode is.
> >
> > a simple piezo buzzer, including any protection resistors.
> >
> > a simple potential divider, explain how to calulate the drop between the
> > input and output.
> >
> > how to correctly connect an led, and calculate the current limiting
> > resistor.
> >
> > It would be my hope that these building blocks were universal, and could
> be
> > applied to any other controller type such as AVR, arduino etc. as well as
> > non uP controlled projects.  For example using the switch module
> connected
> > directly to the relay module would still produce a nicer circuit than
> > running the coil voltage through the switch directly.
> >
> > The basic idea is to build a small library of very simple circuits that
> can
> > be combined with the existing pic workshops so that people can go away
> and
> > build circuits of their own, that will hopefully be reliable, and can be
> > combined into larger projects by just duplicating these small blocks.
> >
> > This is probably a horrible description, but I hope that people
> understand
> > what I mean.
> >
> > Additionally, would there be any interest in TTL LOGIC as a workshop?
> >
> > Graham
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> > Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 16:29:53 +0100
> > From: Tom Lloyd <napalmllama at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Ideas for workshops
> > To: Graham Owens <grahamowensuk at googlemail.com>
> > Cc: "hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk"
> >         <hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk>
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> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > That sounds like a great idea.  I for one could do with some more basic
> > electronics knowledge.
> >
> > What else did we come up with at the social?
> > I suggested an introduction to the operating principles of transistors,
> by
> > building a very basic headphone amplifier.  What was the other idea?
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >
> > On 31 July 2013 13:56, Graham Owens <grahamowensuk at googlemail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi people,
> > >
> > > Additional ideas for the technical workshops.
> > >
> > > I was thinking that - if it has not already been covered, a potential
> > > future workshop could build on the PIC workshops that have been done.
> > >
> > > The idea is basically to learn the basic input/output blocks.
> > >
> > > examples,
> > >
> > > many new people to microcontrollers, connect a switch between +5v to
> the
> > > pic input pin, then get frustrated that the switch is unreliable due to
> > > floating when the switch is open.  The block would be a switch, with
> the
> > > the pull-up or down as required.  Explanation of why the pull-up/down
> > > resistor is required.
> > >
> > > a simple relay output from the pic, using an easily obtainable mostfet
> to
> > > drive the relay, and include the protection diode.  Again explain how
> it
> > > works, and why we need the mosfet, and what the purpose of the
> protection
> > > diode is.
> > >
> > > a simple piezo buzzer, including any protection resistors.
> > >
> > > a simple potential divider, explain how to calulate the drop between
> the
> > > input and output.
> > >
> > > how to correctly connect an led, and calculate the current limiting
> > > resistor.
> > >
> > > It would be my hope that these building blocks were universal, and
> could
> > > be applied to any other controller type such as AVR, arduino etc. as
> well
> > > as non uP controlled projects.  For example using the switch module
> > > connected directly to the relay module would still produce a nicer
> > circuit
> > > than running the coil voltage through the switch directly.
> > >
> > > The basic idea is to build a small library of very simple circuits that
> > > can be combined with the existing pic workshops so that people can go
> > away
> > > and build circuits of their own, that will hopefully be reliable, and
> can
> > > be combined into larger projects by just duplicating these small
> blocks.
> > >
> > > This is probably a horrible description, but I hope that people
> > understand
> > > what I mean.
> > >
> > > Additionally, would there be any interest in TTL LOGIC as a workshop?
> > >
> > > Graham
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> > Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 17:28:27 +0100
> > From: Graham Owens <grahamowensuk at googlemail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Ideas for workshops
> > Cc: "hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk"
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> > I think other ideas that were mentioned were:
> >
> > Output control, eg. making things happen in the real world, for example
> > motor control or servo control.
> >
> > Communicating with a microcontroller from a PC.  I think this is the
> > technical workshop for a week monday.
> >
> > I have 2xPickit 3's that I can bring (Mabey a 3rd and a Pickit 2)  So if
> > anyone needs to use one, they are more than welcome.
> >
> > Graham
> >
> >
> > On 31 July 2013 16:29, Tom Lloyd <napalmllama at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > That sounds like a great idea.  I for one could do with some more basic
> > > electronics knowledge.
> > >
> > > What else did we come up with at the social?
> > > I suggested an introduction to the operating principles of transistors,
> > by
> > > building a very basic headphone amplifier.  What was the other idea?
> > >
> > > Tom
> > >
> > >
> > > On 31 July 2013 13:56, Graham Owens <grahamowensuk at googlemail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi people,
> > >>
> > >> Additional ideas for the technical workshops.
> > >>
> > >> I was thinking that - if it has not already been covered, a potential
> > >> future workshop could build on the PIC workshops that have been done.
> > >>
> > >> The idea is basically to learn the basic input/output blocks.
> > >>
> > >> examples,
> > >>
> > >> many new people to microcontrollers, connect a switch between +5v to
> the
> > >> pic input pin, then get frustrated that the switch is unreliable due
> to
> > >> floating when the switch is open.  The block would be a switch, with
> the
> > >> the pull-up or down as required.  Explanation of why the pull-up/down
> > >> resistor is required.
> > >>
> > >> a simple relay output from the pic, using an easily obtainable mostfet
> > to
> > >> drive the relay, and include the protection diode.  Again explain how
> it
> > >> works, and why we need the mosfet, and what the purpose of the
> > protection
> > >> diode is.
> > >>
> > >> a simple piezo buzzer, including any protection resistors.
> > >>
> > >> a simple potential divider, explain how to calulate the drop between
> the
> > >> input and output.
> > >>
> > >> how to correctly connect an led, and calculate the current limiting
> > >> resistor.
> > >>
> > >> It would be my hope that these building blocks were universal, and
> could
> > >> be applied to any other controller type such as AVR, arduino etc. as
> > well
> > >> as non uP controlled projects.  For example using the switch module
> > >> connected directly to the relay module would still produce a nicer
> > circuit
> > >> than running the coil voltage through the switch directly.
> > >>
> > >> The basic idea is to build a small library of very simple circuits
> that
> > >> can be combined with the existing pic workshops so that people can go
> > away
> > >> and build circuits of their own, that will hopefully be reliable, and
> > can
> > >> be combined into larger projects by just duplicating these small
> blocks.
> > >>
> > >> This is probably a horrible description, but I hope that people
> > >> understand what I mean.
> > >>
> > >> Additionally, would there be any interest in TTL LOGIC as a workshop?
> > >>
> > >> Graham
> > >>
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> > Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2013 10:28:04 +0100
> > From: Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk>
> > Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Ideas for workshops
> > To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
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> > On Wed, 2013-07-31 at 17:28 +0100, Graham Owens wrote:
> > > I think other ideas that were mentioned were:
> >
> > Thanks for all these ideas guys.
> >
> > My first tutorial covered connecting LEDs and switches, and demonstrated
> > the importance of debouncing switch inputs. but didnt otherwise go into
> > the reasons why.
> >
> > I can see the argument that we should include at least some simple
> > explanations of the why, although i am unsure the best way to deliver
> > that. I felt that the worksheet approach worked well, with everyone
> > working at their own pace leaving me free to give specific help where
> > required. So i suppose i should try to work some explanations into the
> > worksheet where possible.
> >
> > I also plan to put the resulting worksheets and support materials online
> > for future, and other peoples, reference.
> >
> > > Communicating with a microcontroller from a PC.  I think this is the
> > > technical workshop for a week monday.
> > Yes, thats my plan.
> >
> > > I have 2xPickit 3's that I can bring (Mabey a 3rd and a Pickit 2)  So
> > > if anyone needs to use one, they are more than welcome.
> > That would be very helpful, last time we all had to share the one
> > pickit2 i brought.
> >
> >
> >
> > I am trying to put together a list of components for the starter kit to
> > base these tutorials on. It doesnt have to contain everything we might
> > cover, like servos etc, as we can always do booster packs later. I was
> > hoping to keep the cost under a tenner each, but have enough components
> > to cover plenty of tutorial options, and allow some tinkering.
> >
> > So far i have come up with this list, can people please give their
> > suggestions:
> >
> > PIC16F1455
> > MB102 Breadboard
> > Jumper wire kit
> > Long pinned header for programmer connection
> > USB Uart board and cable (possibly CP1202 based)
> > LEDs a handful of different colours + limiting resistors
> > Small push button switches
> > Piezo Buzzer
> > LDR and/or Thermistor
> >
> > I also need to get an idea of how many people would like to buy these
> > kits so i can bulk order the components to save us money.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 10:46:48 +0100
> > From: Gerrit Niezen <gerrit.niezen at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Ideas for workshops
> > To: Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk>
> > Cc: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> > Message-ID: <88447DE4-DD9F-4395-890F-CEBAFE0C21EB at gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > There is a nice little power supply module for the MB102 breadboard:
> >
> >
> http://www.thelittlebritishrobotcompany.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=79
> >
> > It allows you to power the breadboard rails from a 6.5-12V power plug or
> > USB at either 5V or 3.3V. I'm sure you can get them even cheaper than
> what
> > I've listed above.
> >
> > I was wondering if it's at all possible to make the tutorials more
> > microcontroller-agnostic? I prefer using Arduino, and others have their
> own
> > favourite micro and development platform.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Gerrit
> >
> > On 1 Aug 2013, at 10:28, Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk>
> wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, 2013-07-31 at 17:28 +0100, Graham Owens wrote:
> > >> I think other ideas that were mentioned were:
> > >
> > > Thanks for all these ideas guys.
> > >
> > > My first tutorial covered connecting LEDs and switches, and
> demonstrated
> > > the importance of debouncing switch inputs. but didnt otherwise go into
> > > the reasons why.
> > >
> > > I can see the argument that we should include at least some simple
> > > explanations of the why, although i am unsure the best way to deliver
> > > that. I felt that the worksheet approach worked well, with everyone
> > > working at their own pace leaving me free to give specific help where
> > > required. So i suppose i should try to work some explanations into the
> > > worksheet where possible.
> > >
> > > I also plan to put the resulting worksheets and support materials
> online
> > > for future, and other peoples, reference.
> > >
> > >> Communicating with a microcontroller from a PC.  I think this is the
> > >> technical workshop for a week monday.
> > > Yes, thats my plan.
> > >
> > >> I have 2xPickit 3's that I can bring (Mabey a 3rd and a Pickit 2)  So
> > >> if anyone needs to use one, they are more than welcome.
> > > That would be very helpful, last time we all had to share the one
> > > pickit2 i brought.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I am trying to put together a list of components for the starter kit to
> > > base these tutorials on. It doesnt have to contain everything we might
> > > cover, like servos etc, as we can always do booster packs later. I was
> > > hoping to keep the cost under a tenner each, but have enough components
> > > to cover plenty of tutorial options, and allow some tinkering.
> > >
> > > So far i have come up with this list, can people please give their
> > > suggestions:
> > >
> > > PIC16F1455
> > > MB102 Breadboard
> > > Jumper wire kit
> > > Long pinned header for programmer connection
> > > USB Uart board and cable (possibly CP1202 based)
> > > LEDs a handful of different colours + limiting resistors
> > > Small push button switches
> > > Piezo Buzzer
> > > LDR and/or Thermistor
> > >
> > > I also need to get an idea of how many people would like to buy these
> > > kits so i can bulk order the components to save us money.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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From justin at discordia.org.uk  Thu Aug  1 15:04:03 2013
From: justin at discordia.org.uk (Justin Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2013 15:04:03 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Ideas for workshops
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On Thu, 2013-08-01 at 14:03 +0100, Graham Owens wrote:
> Justin,
> I think your starter kit sounds great, although I will not require the
> kit - as I have all the parts on there.
> 
> 
> I have some tact switches here that fit breadboard - id be willing to
> donate enough to give everyone mabey 2 or 3 each if that helps, also
> any resistors that are needed (I bought the stock of a closing down
> pcb fab house about 8 years ago) so i have literally millions, if you
> can let me know what values you want to include. 

Which values would be useful is on my list of things to ponder, i would
guess a small selection of the most commonly useful values, whatever
they are.

>  I can also spare a hundred or so 100nF(104 labeled) bypass caps
> (everybody needs bypass caps right :) ), and some 10uF electrolytic
> caps each (thats what I dot about my boards).

Gotta build by-passes...  yes, 10nF and 100nF are the recommended values

> 
> 
> Let me know if any of this stuff is useful and i'll bring it along
> next time.  (someone else will have to divide it up into poly bags for
> each person)

Thank you, yes.

I have plentiful supplies of poly bags to package it all up






From timmoore47 at gmail.com  Wed Aug  7 07:12:11 2013
From: timmoore47 at gmail.com (Tim Moore)
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 07:12:11 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 5
In-Reply-To: <201308021100.r72B04wM007975@stoneship.org.uk>
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Message-ID: <CAAEY5oMdqB8LMQFjdEET84mwwzqAeZshj+N0nbgQR=KMWKARTw@mail.gmail.com>

For anyone who fancies their own radio station...

http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/binaries/research/radio-research/Software-DAB-Research.pdf

someone in Brighton has done it.

:  )))

Tim

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> On Thu, 2013-08-01 at 14:03 +0100, Graham Owens wrote:
> > Justin,
> > I think your starter kit sounds great, although I will not require the
> > kit - as I have all the parts on there.
> >
> >
> > I have some tact switches here that fit breadboard - id be willing to
> > donate enough to give everyone mabey 2 or 3 each if that helps, also
> > any resistors that are needed (I bought the stock of a closing down
> > pcb fab house about 8 years ago) so i have literally millions, if you
> > can let me know what values you want to include.
>
> Which values would be useful is on my list of things to ponder, i would
> guess a small selection of the most commonly useful values, whatever
> they are.
>
> >  I can also spare a hundred or so 100nF(104 labeled) bypass caps
> > (everybody needs bypass caps right :) ), and some 10uF electrolytic
> > caps each (thats what I dot about my boards).
>
> Gotta build by-passes...  yes, 10nF and 100nF are the recommended values
>
> >
> >
> > Let me know if any of this stuff is useful and i'll bring it along
> > next time.  (someone else will have to divide it up into poly bags for
> > each person)
>
> Thank you, yes.
>
> I have plentiful supplies of poly bags to package it all up
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From grahamowensuk at googlemail.com  Sun Aug 11 23:21:07 2013
From: grahamowensuk at googlemail.com (Graham Owens)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 23:21:07 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 6
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Hi Guys,


Firstly an apology, i have not had a chance to sort out resistors :(

I did however get 15 goodie bags put together, minus the resistors and will be bringing them with me tomorrow night.  The goodies that are in the bags are as follows:

2x 100k slider pot
2x 4k7 turn pot
1x 1m8 turn pot
2 x tactile push switch
1x 8 way dip switch
1x 7seg led
1x 8mhz ceramic resonator
1x 4mhz crystal
1x rgb led
1x blue led
1x red led
1x orange led
1x yellow led
Sorry no green :(
2x reeds
2x 10uF cap
1x 470uF cap
2x 2.2uF cap
2x 22uF cap
2x 10nF cap
5x 100uF cap
2x bzx55c diode
2x 1n4148 diode
1x 12v relay
1x 12way sil header
1 ne555n timer chip
2x 33j cap
2x bc558 transistor
2x bc327 transistor
2x bc214 transistor

Sorry again about the resistors - will try and sort it before the next meeting.

Look forward to seeing you again tommorow guys.

Thanks

G


Best Regards

Graham Owens


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> For anyone who fancies their own radio station...
> 
> http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/binaries/research/radio-research/Software-DAB-Research.pdf
> 
> someone in Brighton has done it.
> 
> :  )))
> 
> Tim
> 
> On 2 August 2013 12:00, <hackspace-request at swansea.hackspace.org.uk> wrote:
> 
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>> 
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2013 15:04:03 +0100
>> From: Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Ideas for workshops
>> To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> Message-ID: <1375365843.19728.12.camel at justin.llw.rokcorp.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>> 
>> On Thu, 2013-08-01 at 14:03 +0100, Graham Owens wrote:
>>> Justin,
>>> I think your starter kit sounds great, although I will not require the
>>> kit - as I have all the parts on there.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I have some tact switches here that fit breadboard - id be willing to
>>> donate enough to give everyone mabey 2 or 3 each if that helps, also
>>> any resistors that are needed (I bought the stock of a closing down
>>> pcb fab house about 8 years ago) so i have literally millions, if you
>>> can let me know what values you want to include.
>> 
>> Which values would be useful is on my list of things to ponder, i would
>> guess a small selection of the most commonly useful values, whatever
>> they are.
>> 
>>> I can also spare a hundred or so 100nF(104 labeled) bypass caps
>>> (everybody needs bypass caps right :) ), and some 10uF electrolytic
>>> caps each (thats what I dot about my boards).
>> 
>> Gotta build by-passes...  yes, 10nF and 100nF are the recommended values
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Let me know if any of this stuff is useful and i'll bring it along
>>> next time.  (someone else will have to divide it up into poly bags for
>>> each person)
>> 
>> Thank you, yes.
>> 
>> I have plentiful supplies of poly bags to package it all up
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
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From justin at discordia.org.uk  Mon Aug 12 11:14:43 2013
From: justin at discordia.org.uk (Justin Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 11:14:43 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] [Announce] PIC Workshop 2, Monday 12th August
Message-ID: <1376302483.21471.20.camel@justin.llw.rokcorp.com>

Due to unforeseen complications we have had to relocate tonights
workshop meeting.

Would people please meet up outside the main entrance to the Engineering
(Faraday) Building at 7pm where you will be met and directed to the
venue.

If anyone is late or has difficulties finding it you can call 01792
295584 for help.

Reminder that participants will require a laptop to run the MPLab
software on, or find someone to partner with for this project, anyone
that can bring a pickit programmer would be helpful, otherwise all other
components will be provided.





From timmoore47 at gmail.com  Sun Aug 18 09:33:00 2013
From: timmoore47 at gmail.com (Tim Moore)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 09:33:00 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 7
In-Reply-To: <201308121100.r7CB05Wh025084@stoneship.org.uk>
References: <201308121100.r7CB05Wh025084@stoneship.org.uk>
Message-ID: <CAAEY5oP_aGQUkAnWUtA4XZ6yWc-9_8mTTFY0iiPEyS3HnbCpog@mail.gmail.com>

On a similar theme,  I have spare

12F509 @  59p

12F629  @  82p

12F675  @ 89p

you may be able to get them cheaper or have loads in your junk boxes but
that is the best price I've been able to find.

When is the next meeting and I'll bring them along ?

:  )))

Tim


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> Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 6
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> Hi Guys,
>
>
> Firstly an apology, i have not had a chance to sort out resistors :(
>
> I did however get 15 goodie bags put together, minus the resistors and
> will be bringing them with me tomorrow night.  The goodies that are in the
> bags are as follows:
>
> 2x 100k slider pot
> 2x 4k7 turn pot
> 1x 1m8 turn pot
> 2 x tactile push switch
> 1x 8 way dip switch
> 1x 7seg led
> 1x 8mhz ceramic resonator
> 1x 4mhz crystal
> 1x rgb led
> 1x blue led
> 1x red led
> 1x orange led
> 1x yellow led
> Sorry no green :(
> 2x reeds
> 2x 10uF cap
> 1x 470uF cap
> 2x 2.2uF cap
> 2x 22uF cap
> 2x 10nF cap
> 5x 100uF cap
> 2x bzx55c diode
> 2x 1n4148 diode
> 1x 12v relay
> 1x 12way sil header
> 1 ne555n timer chip
> 2x 33j cap
> 2x bc558 transistor
> 2x bc327 transistor
> 2x bc214 transistor
>
> Sorry again about the resistors - will try and sort it before the next
> meeting.
>
> Look forward to seeing you again tommorow guys.
>
> Thanks
>
> G
>
>
> Best Regards
>
> Graham Owens
>
>
> On 7 Aug 2013, at 12:00, hackspace-request at swansea.hackspace.org.uk wrote:
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> > Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 07:12:11 +0100
> > From: Tim Moore <timmoore47 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 5
> > To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
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> > For anyone who fancies their own radio station...
> >
> >
> http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/binaries/research/radio-research/Software-DAB-Research.pdf
> >
> > someone in Brighton has done it.
> >
> > :  )))
> >
> > Tim
> >
> > On 2 August 2013 12:00, <hackspace-request at swansea.hackspace.org.uk>
> wrote:
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> >> Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2013 15:04:03 +0100
> >> From: Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk>
> >> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Ideas for workshops
> >> To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> >> Message-ID: <1375365843.19728.12.camel at justin.llw.rokcorp.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >>
> >> On Thu, 2013-08-01 at 14:03 +0100, Graham Owens wrote:
> >>> Justin,
> >>> I think your starter kit sounds great, although I will not require the
> >>> kit - as I have all the parts on there.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I have some tact switches here that fit breadboard - id be willing to
> >>> donate enough to give everyone mabey 2 or 3 each if that helps, also
> >>> any resistors that are needed (I bought the stock of a closing down
> >>> pcb fab house about 8 years ago) so i have literally millions, if you
> >>> can let me know what values you want to include.
> >>
> >> Which values would be useful is on my list of things to ponder, i would
> >> guess a small selection of the most commonly useful values, whatever
> >> they are.
> >>
> >>> I can also spare a hundred or so 100nF(104 labeled) bypass caps
> >>> (everybody needs bypass caps right :) ), and some 10uF electrolytic
> >>> caps each (thats what I dot about my boards).
> >>
> >> Gotta build by-passes...  yes, 10nF and 100nF are the recommended values
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Let me know if any of this stuff is useful and i'll bring it along
> >>> next time.  (someone else will have to divide it up into poly bags for
> >>> each person)
> >>
> >> Thank you, yes.
> >>
> >> I have plentiful supplies of poly bags to package it all up
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 11:14:43 +0100
> From: Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk>
> Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] [Announce] PIC Workshop 2, Monday 12th
>         August
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> Due to unforeseen complications we have had to relocate tonights
> workshop meeting.
>
> Would people please meet up outside the main entrance to the Engineering
> (Faraday) Building at 7pm where you will be met and directed to the
> venue.
>
> If anyone is late or has difficulties finding it you can call 01792
> 295584 for help.
>
> Reminder that participants will require a laptop to run the MPLab
> software on, or find someone to partner with for this project, anyone
> that can bring a pickit programmer would be helpful, otherwise all other
> components will be provided.
>
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From justin at discordia.org.uk  Sun Aug 18 22:03:07 2013
From: justin at discordia.org.uk (Justin Mitchell)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 22:03:07 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 7
In-Reply-To: <CAAEY5oP_aGQUkAnWUtA4XZ6yWc-9_8mTTFY0iiPEyS3HnbCpog@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201308121100.r7CB05Wh025084@stoneship.org.uk>
	<CAAEY5oP_aGQUkAnWUtA4XZ6yWc-9_8mTTFY0iiPEyS3HnbCpog@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1376859787.5741.8.camel@emerald.geode.org.uk>

On Sun, 2013-08-18 at 09:33 +0100, Tim Moore wrote:
> On a similar theme,  I have spare 
> 
> 12F509 @  59p
> 12F629  @  82p
> 12F675  @ 89p

I would not recommend any of these devices for beginners, they have only
a small set of the features, very restricted memory, and no uart, so
cannot be used with a bootloader. They are also only pennies cheaper
than the latest generation devices that I have been supplying for
tutorials.





From timmoore47 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 19 14:45:32 2013
From: timmoore47 at gmail.com (Tim Moore)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 14:45:32 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 9
In-Reply-To: <201308191100.r7JB04PN021404@stoneship.org.uk>
References: <201308191100.r7JB04PN021404@stoneship.org.uk>
Message-ID: <CAAEY5oO0B83YqmgOKJhh_Kr8XjDvPGuokCF-BaytXiaXzQLbBw@mail.gmail.com>

12F1840  we used, what  others would you suggest ?

: )

Tim_1

PS date of next meeting ?


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> On Sun, 2013-08-18 at 09:33 +0100, Tim Moore wrote:
> > On a similar theme,  I have spare
> >
> > 12F509 @  59p
> > 12F629  @  82p
> > 12F675  @ 89p
>
> I would not recommend any of these devices for beginners, they have only
> a small set of the features, very restricted memory, and no uart, so
> cannot be used with a bootloader. They are also only pennies cheaper
> than the latest generation devices that I have been supplying for
> tutorials.
>
>
>
>
>
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From steve at chygwyn.com  Mon Aug 19 14:53:27 2013
From: steve at chygwyn.com (Steven Whitehouse)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 14:53:27 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 9
In-Reply-To: <CAAEY5oO0B83YqmgOKJhh_Kr8XjDvPGuokCF-BaytXiaXzQLbBw@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAAEY5oO0B83YqmgOKJhh_Kr8XjDvPGuokCF-BaytXiaXzQLbBw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1376920407.2679.11.camel@menhir>

Hi,

On Mon, 2013-08-19 at 14:45 +0100, Tim Moore wrote:
> 12F1840  we used, what  others would you suggest ?
> 
> : )
> 
> 
> Tim_1
> 
> 
> PS date of next meeting ?
> 
> 
I'm not a PIC expert, but I think the next meeting is Tuesday 27th
August if I remember rightly. I'm hoping to be able to pop down for that
if I'm able to book my riding lesson for Wednesday as per usual since I
should then be free on the Tuesday,

Steve.

> 
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>         Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8,
>         Issue 7
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>         Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>         
>         On Sun, 2013-08-18 at 09:33 +0100, Tim Moore wrote:
>         > On a similar theme,  I have spare
>         >
>         > 12F509 @  59p
>         > 12F629  @  82p
>         > 12F675  @ 89p
>         
>         I would not recommend any of these devices for beginners, they
>         have only
>         a small set of the features, very restricted memory, and no
>         uart, so
>         cannot be used with a bootloader. They are also only pennies
>         cheaper
>         than the latest generation devices that I have been supplying
>         for
>         tutorials.
>         
>         
>         
>         
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From roger at brecon.co.uk  Mon Aug 19 15:30:27 2013
From: roger at brecon.co.uk (roger)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 15:30:27 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] pdf download
Message-ID: <52122C03.7020009@brecon.co.uk>

Hi there
I tried to download the pdf from the last workshop on pic's but it seems 
to be missing on the server.
regards
Roger



From grahamowensuk at googlemail.com  Mon Aug 19 15:37:38 2013
From: grahamowensuk at googlemail.com (Graham Owens)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 15:37:38 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 9
In-Reply-To: <201308191100.r7JB04PN021404@stoneship.org.uk>
References: <201308191100.r7JB04PN021404@stoneship.org.uk>
Message-ID: <02E19733-17B9-4F6C-8946-82DBC5D39F61@googlemail.com>

Although the 12f675 is very handy to have as a swiss army knife solution.

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> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 7
> To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> Message-ID: <1376859787.5741.8.camel at emerald.geode.org.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> 
> On Sun, 2013-08-18 at 09:33 +0100, Tim Moore wrote:
>> On a similar theme,  I have spare 
>> 
>> 12F509 @  59p
>> 12F629  @  82p
>> 12F675  @ 89p
> 
> I would not recommend any of these devices for beginners, they have only
> a small set of the features, very restricted memory, and no uart, so
> cannot be used with a bootloader. They are also only pennies cheaper
> than the latest generation devices that I have been supplying for
> tutorials.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Hackspace mailing list
> Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
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> 
> End of Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 9
> ***************************************



From justin at discordia.org.uk  Mon Aug 19 15:38:30 2013
From: justin at discordia.org.uk (Justin Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 15:38:30 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 9
In-Reply-To: <CAAEY5oO0B83YqmgOKJhh_Kr8XjDvPGuokCF-BaytXiaXzQLbBw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201308191100.r7JB04PN021404@stoneship.org.uk>
	<CAAEY5oO0B83YqmgOKJhh_Kr8XjDvPGuokCF-BaytXiaXzQLbBw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1376923110.10203.5.camel@justin.llw.rokcorp.com>

On Mon, 2013-08-19 at 14:45 +0100, Tim Moore wrote:
> 12F1840  we used, what  others would you suggest ?
for 14-pin the 16F1455 which is going to be the basis of future
workshops.

bought by the 10 from farnell they are 84p and 110p respectively.



> PS date of next meeting ?

Tuesday 27th

It is due to be a social meeting, and due to our current, hopefully
temporary, problem with booking rooms in the university, we are going to
hold it in a pub instead.  Still waiting for confirmation, but it will
likely be the Vivian Arms in Sketty where we held the very first
meeting.






From justin at discordia.org.uk  Mon Aug 19 15:39:44 2013
From: justin at discordia.org.uk (Justin Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 15:39:44 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] pdf download
In-Reply-To: <52122C03.7020009@brecon.co.uk>
References: <52122C03.7020009@brecon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1376923184.10203.6.camel@justin.llw.rokcorp.com>

On Mon, 2013-08-19 at 15:30 +0100, roger wrote:
> Hi there
> I tried to download the pdf from the last workshop on pic's but it seems 
> to be missing on the server.

Whoops, that should now be fixed.





From grahamowensuk at googlemail.com  Wed Aug 21 19:45:55 2013
From: grahamowensuk at googlemail.com (Graham Owens)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 19:45:55 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 10
In-Reply-To: <201308201100.r7KB03fB025055@stoneship.org.uk>
References: <201308201100.r7KB03fB025055@stoneship.org.uk>
Message-ID: <A11B0BCC-5AB9-4B01-901E-A1F9C0427481@googlemail.com>


Hi guys

Just had an email from TI (texas instruments), with a coupon code on it, so i just ordered a dev kit, 24$ and got it free, with free delivery.  The code is not user specific, so if any of you want to give it a try.

Go to estore.ti.com


Stick stuff in your basket up to $25, cehckout (you may need to create an account - WHY DONT YOU HAVE AN ACCOUNT :P, then on the right hand side is your basket.  In the coupon box enter "National-1yr" and apply the coupon.  The screen will change from enter your credit card to there is no charge for this order, click to proceed.

You now get whatever you ordered free.  Please dont abuse it guys, but i managed to get a usb dev kit.

See you'all on Tuesday.

Has the pub been decided yet?

Best Regards

Graham Owens

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> Message: 1
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> Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 9
> To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
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> 12F1840  we used, what  others would you suggest ?
> 
> : )
> 
> Tim_1
> 
> PS date of next meeting ?
> 
> 
> On 19 August 2013 12:00, <hackspace-request at swansea.hackspace.org.uk> wrote:
> 
>> Send Hackspace mailing list submissions to
>>        hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> 
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>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>        hackspace-request at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> 
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>> 
>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>> than "Re: Contents of Hackspace digest..."
>> 
>> 
>> Today's Topics:
>> 
>>   1. Re: Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 7 (Justin Mitchell)
>> 
>> 
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 22:03:07 +0100
>> From: Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 7
>> To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> Message-ID: <1376859787.5741.8.camel at emerald.geode.org.uk>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>> 
>> On Sun, 2013-08-18 at 09:33 +0100, Tim Moore wrote:
>>> On a similar theme,  I have spare
>>> 
>>> 12F509 @  59p
>>> 12F629  @  82p
>>> 12F675  @ 89p
>> 
>> I would not recommend any of these devices for beginners, they have only
>> a small set of the features, very restricted memory, and no uart, so
>> cannot be used with a bootloader. They are also only pennies cheaper
>> than the latest generation devices that I have been supplying for
>> tutorials.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Hackspace mailing list
>> Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
>> 
>> 
>> End of Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 9
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> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 14:53:27 +0100
> From: Steven Whitehouse <steve at chygwyn.com>
> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 9
> To: Tim Moore <timmoore47 at gmail.com>
> Cc: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> Message-ID: <1376920407.2679.11.camel at menhir>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> 
> Hi,
> 
> On Mon, 2013-08-19 at 14:45 +0100, Tim Moore wrote:
>> 12F1840  we used, what  others would you suggest ?
>> 
>> : )
>> 
>> 
>> Tim_1
>> 
>> 
>> PS date of next meeting ?
> I'm not a PIC expert, but I think the next meeting is Tuesday 27th
> August if I remember rightly. I'm hoping to be able to pop down for that
> if I'm able to book my riding lesson for Wednesday as per usual since I
> should then be free on the Tuesday,
> 
> Steve.
> 
>> 
>> On 19 August 2013 12:00, <hackspace-request at swansea.hackspace.org.uk>
>> wrote:
>>        Send Hackspace mailing list submissions to
>>                hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> 
>>        To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>>                http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
>>        or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>                hackspace-request at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> 
>>        You can reach the person managing the list at
>>                hackspace-owner at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> 
>>        When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more
>>        specific
>>        than "Re: Contents of Hackspace digest..."
>> 
>> 
>>        Today's Topics:
>> 
>>           1. Re: Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 7 (Justin
>>        Mitchell)
>> 
>> 
>>        ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>>        Message: 1
>>        Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 22:03:07 +0100
>>        From: Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk>
>>        Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8,
>>        Issue 7
>>        To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>>        Message-ID: <1376859787.5741.8.camel at emerald.geode.org.uk>
>>        Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>> 
>>        On Sun, 2013-08-18 at 09:33 +0100, Tim Moore wrote:
>>> On a similar theme,  I have spare
>>> 
>>> 12F509 @  59p
>>> 12F629  @  82p
>>> 12F675  @ 89p
>> 
>>        I would not recommend any of these devices for beginners, they
>>        have only
>>        a small set of the features, very restricted memory, and no
>>        uart, so
>>        cannot be used with a bootloader. They are also only pennies
>>        cheaper
>>        than the latest generation devices that I have been supplying
>>        for
>>        tutorials.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>        ------------------------------
>> 
>>        _______________________________________________
>>        Hackspace mailing list
>>        Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>>        http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
>> 
>> 
>>        End of Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 9
>>        ***************************************
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Hackspace mailing list
>> Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 15:30:27 +0100
> From: roger <roger at brecon.co.uk>
> Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] pdf download
> To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> Message-ID: <52122C03.7020009 at brecon.co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> Hi there
> I tried to download the pdf from the last workshop on pic's but it seems 
> to be missing on the server.
> regards
> Roger
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 15:37:38 +0100
> From: Graham Owens <grahamowensuk at googlemail.com>
> Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 9
> To: "hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk"
>    <hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk>
> Message-ID: <02E19733-17B9-4F6C-8946-82DBC5D39F61 at googlemail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=us-ascii
> 
> Although the 12f675 is very handy to have as a swiss army knife solution.
> 
> On 19 Aug 2013, at 12:00, hackspace-request at swansea.hackspace.org.uk wrote:
> 
>> Send Hackspace mailing list submissions to
>>   hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> 
>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>>   http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>   hackspace-request at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> 
>> You can reach the person managing the list at
>>   hackspace-owner at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> 
>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>> than "Re: Contents of Hackspace digest..."
>> 
>> 
>> Today's Topics:
>> 
>>  1. Re: Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 7 (Justin Mitchell)
>> 
>> 
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 22:03:07 +0100
>> From: Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 7
>> To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> Message-ID: <1376859787.5741.8.camel at emerald.geode.org.uk>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>> 
>> On Sun, 2013-08-18 at 09:33 +0100, Tim Moore wrote:
>>> On a similar theme,  I have spare 
>>> 
>>> 12F509 @  59p
>>> 12F629  @  82p
>>> 12F675  @ 89p
>> 
>> I would not recommend any of these devices for beginners, they have only
>> a small set of the features, very restricted memory, and no uart, so
>> cannot be used with a bootloader. They are also only pennies cheaper
>> than the latest generation devices that I have been supplying for
>> tutorials.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Hackspace mailing list
>> Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
>> 
>> 
>> End of Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 9
>> ***************************************
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 15:38:30 +0100
> From: Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 9
> To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> Message-ID: <1376923110.10203.5.camel at justin.llw.rokcorp.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> 
> On Mon, 2013-08-19 at 14:45 +0100, Tim Moore wrote:
>> 12F1840  we used, what  others would you suggest ?
> for 14-pin the 16F1455 which is going to be the basis of future
> workshops.
> 
> bought by the 10 from farnell they are 84p and 110p respectively.
> 
> 
> 
>> PS date of next meeting ?
> 
> Tuesday 27th
> 
> It is due to be a social meeting, and due to our current, hopefully
> temporary, problem with booking rooms in the university, we are going to
> hold it in a pub instead.  Still waiting for confirmation, but it will
> likely be the Vivian Arms in Sketty where we held the very first
> meeting.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 15:39:44 +0100
> From: Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] pdf download
> To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> Message-ID: <1376923184.10203.6.camel at justin.llw.rokcorp.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> 
> On Mon, 2013-08-19 at 15:30 +0100, roger wrote:
>> Hi there
>> I tried to download the pdf from the last workshop on pic's but it seems 
>> to be missing on the server.
> 
> Whoops, that should now be fixed.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Hackspace mailing list
> Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
> 
> 
> End of Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 10
> ****************************************



From timmoore47 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 22 12:20:33 2013
From: timmoore47 at gmail.com (Tim Moore)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 12:20:33 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 11
In-Reply-To: <201308221100.r7MB038T003243@stoneship.org.uk>
References: <201308221100.r7MB038T003243@stoneship.org.uk>
Message-ID: <CAAEY5oNLShEfkHN4XZzqSefL7DdkpU1jYSRjRo88ojKhHHr4ZQ@mail.gmail.com>

Tuesday's meeting ... if it not at the usual venue at the Uni, I need to
know urgently as I'm going off-air/internet until after the start of the
meeting.

Hate to be sitting in Lecture room 1 on my own !  *LOL*

:  )

Tim_1


On 22 August 2013 12:00, <hackspace-request at swansea.hackspace.org.uk> wrote:

> Send Hackspace mailing list submissions to
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>
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> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>         hackspace-request at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>
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>         hackspace-owner at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of Hackspace digest..."
>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
>    1. Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 10 (Graham Owens)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 19:45:55 +0100
> From: Graham Owens <grahamowensuk at googlemail.com>
> Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 10
> To: "hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk"
>         <hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk>
> Message-ID: <A11B0BCC-5AB9-4B01-901E-A1F9C0427481 at googlemail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset=us-ascii
>
>
> Hi guys
>
> Just had an email from TI (texas instruments), with a coupon code on it,
> so i just ordered a dev kit, 24$ and got it free, with free delivery.  The
> code is not user specific, so if any of you want to give it a try.
>
> Go to estore.ti.com
>
>
> Stick stuff in your basket up to $25, cehckout (you may need to create an
> account - WHY DONT YOU HAVE AN ACCOUNT :P, then on the right hand side is
> your basket.  In the coupon box enter "National-1yr" and apply the coupon.
>  The screen will change from enter your credit card to there is no charge
> for this order, click to proceed.
>
> You now get whatever you ordered free.  Please dont abuse it guys, but i
> managed to get a usb dev kit.
>
> See you'all on Tuesday.
>
> Has the pub been decided yet?
>
> Best Regards
>
> Graham Owens
>
> On 20 Aug 2013, at 12:00, hackspace-request at swansea.hackspace.org.ukwrote:
>
> > Send Hackspace mailing list submissions to
> >    hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> >
> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> >    http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> >    hackspace-request at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> >
> > You can reach the person managing the list at
> >    hackspace-owner at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> >
> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> > than "Re: Contents of Hackspace digest..."
> >
> >
> > Today's Topics:
> >
> >   1. Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 9 (Tim Moore)
> >   2. Re: Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 9 (Steven Whitehouse)
> >   3. pdf download (roger)
> >   4. Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 9 (Graham Owens)
> >   5. Re: Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 9 (Justin Mitchell)
> >   6. Re: pdf download (Justin Mitchell)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 14:45:32 +0100
> > From: Tim Moore <timmoore47 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 9
> > To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> > Message-ID:
> >    <CAAEY5oO0B83YqmgOKJhh_Kr8XjDvPGuokCF-BaytXiaXzQLbBw at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > 12F1840  we used, what  others would you suggest ?
> >
> > : )
> >
> > Tim_1
> >
> > PS date of next meeting ?
> >
> >
> > On 19 August 2013 12:00, <hackspace-request at swansea.hackspace.org.uk>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Send Hackspace mailing list submissions to
> >>        hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> >>
> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> >>        http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> >>        hackspace-request at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> >>
> >> You can reach the person managing the list at
> >>        hackspace-owner at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> >>
> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> >> than "Re: Contents of Hackspace digest..."
> >>
> >>
> >> Today's Topics:
> >>
> >>   1. Re: Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 7 (Justin Mitchell)
> >>
> >>
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 1
> >> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 22:03:07 +0100
> >> From: Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk>
> >> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 7
> >> To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> >> Message-ID: <1376859787.5741.8.camel at emerald.geode.org.uk>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >>
> >> On Sun, 2013-08-18 at 09:33 +0100, Tim Moore wrote:
> >>> On a similar theme,  I have spare
> >>>
> >>> 12F509 @  59p
> >>> 12F629  @  82p
> >>> 12F675  @ 89p
> >>
> >> I would not recommend any of these devices for beginners, they have only
> >> a small set of the features, very restricted memory, and no uart, so
> >> cannot be used with a bootloader. They are also only pennies cheaper
> >> than the latest generation devices that I have been supplying for
> >> tutorials.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Hackspace mailing list
> >> Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> >> http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
> >>
> >>
> >> End of Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 9
> >> ***************************************
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 14:53:27 +0100
> > From: Steven Whitehouse <steve at chygwyn.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 9
> > To: Tim Moore <timmoore47 at gmail.com>
> > Cc: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> > Message-ID: <1376920407.2679.11.camel at menhir>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Mon, 2013-08-19 at 14:45 +0100, Tim Moore wrote:
> >> 12F1840  we used, what  others would you suggest ?
> >>
> >> : )
> >>
> >>
> >> Tim_1
> >>
> >>
> >> PS date of next meeting ?
> > I'm not a PIC expert, but I think the next meeting is Tuesday 27th
> > August if I remember rightly. I'm hoping to be able to pop down for that
> > if I'm able to book my riding lesson for Wednesday as per usual since I
> > should then be free on the Tuesday,
> >
> > Steve.
> >
> >>
> >> On 19 August 2013 12:00, <hackspace-request at swansea.hackspace.org.uk>
> >> wrote:
> >>        Send Hackspace mailing list submissions to
> >>                hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> >>
> >>        To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> >>                http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
> >>        or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> >>                hackspace-request at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> >>
> >>        You can reach the person managing the list at
> >>                hackspace-owner at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> >>
> >>        When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more
> >>        specific
> >>        than "Re: Contents of Hackspace digest..."
> >>
> >>
> >>        Today's Topics:
> >>
> >>           1. Re: Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 7 (Justin
> >>        Mitchell)
> >>
> >>
> >>
>  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >>        Message: 1
> >>        Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 22:03:07 +0100
> >>        From: Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk>
> >>        Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8,
> >>        Issue 7
> >>        To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> >>        Message-ID: <1376859787.5741.8.camel at emerald.geode.org.uk>
> >>        Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >>
> >>        On Sun, 2013-08-18 at 09:33 +0100, Tim Moore wrote:
> >>> On a similar theme,  I have spare
> >>>
> >>> 12F509 @  59p
> >>> 12F629  @  82p
> >>> 12F675  @ 89p
> >>
> >>        I would not recommend any of these devices for beginners, they
> >>        have only
> >>        a small set of the features, very restricted memory, and no
> >>        uart, so
> >>        cannot be used with a bootloader. They are also only pennies
> >>        cheaper
> >>        than the latest generation devices that I have been supplying
> >>        for
> >>        tutorials.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>        ------------------------------
> >>
> >>        _______________________________________________
> >>        Hackspace mailing list
> >>        Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> >>        http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
> >>
> >>
> >>        End of Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 9
> >>        ***************************************
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Hackspace mailing list
> >> Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> >> http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 15:30:27 +0100
> > From: roger <roger at brecon.co.uk>
> > Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] pdf download
> > To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> > Message-ID: <52122C03.7020009 at brecon.co.uk>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >
> > Hi there
> > I tried to download the pdf from the last workshop on pic's but it seems
> > to be missing on the server.
> > regards
> > Roger
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 15:37:38 +0100
> > From: Graham Owens <grahamowensuk at googlemail.com>
> > Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 9
> > To: "hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk"
> >    <hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk>
> > Message-ID: <02E19733-17B9-4F6C-8946-82DBC5D39F61 at googlemail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=us-ascii
> >
> > Although the 12f675 is very handy to have as a swiss army knife solution.
> >
> > On 19 Aug 2013, at 12:00, hackspace-request at swansea.hackspace.org.ukwrote:
> >
> >> Send Hackspace mailing list submissions to
> >>   hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> >>
> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> >>   http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> >>   hackspace-request at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> >>
> >> You can reach the person managing the list at
> >>   hackspace-owner at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> >>
> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> >> than "Re: Contents of Hackspace digest..."
> >>
> >>
> >> Today's Topics:
> >>
> >>  1. Re: Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 7 (Justin Mitchell)
> >>
> >>
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 1
> >> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 22:03:07 +0100
> >> From: Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk>
> >> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 7
> >> To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> >> Message-ID: <1376859787.5741.8.camel at emerald.geode.org.uk>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >>
> >> On Sun, 2013-08-18 at 09:33 +0100, Tim Moore wrote:
> >>> On a similar theme,  I have spare
> >>>
> >>> 12F509 @  59p
> >>> 12F629  @  82p
> >>> 12F675  @ 89p
> >>
> >> I would not recommend any of these devices for beginners, they have only
> >> a small set of the features, very restricted memory, and no uart, so
> >> cannot be used with a bootloader. They are also only pennies cheaper
> >> than the latest generation devices that I have been supplying for
> >> tutorials.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Hackspace mailing list
> >> Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> >> http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
> >>
> >>
> >> End of Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 9
> >> ***************************************
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 15:38:30 +0100
> > From: Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk>
> > Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 9
> > To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> > Message-ID: <1376923110.10203.5.camel at justin.llw.rokcorp.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > On Mon, 2013-08-19 at 14:45 +0100, Tim Moore wrote:
> >> 12F1840  we used, what  others would you suggest ?
> > for 14-pin the 16F1455 which is going to be the basis of future
> > workshops.
> >
> > bought by the 10 from farnell they are 84p and 110p respectively.
> >
> >
> >
> >> PS date of next meeting ?
> >
> > Tuesday 27th
> >
> > It is due to be a social meeting, and due to our current, hopefully
> > temporary, problem with booking rooms in the university, we are going to
> > hold it in a pub instead.  Still waiting for confirmation, but it will
> > likely be the Vivian Arms in Sketty where we held the very first
> > meeting.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 15:39:44 +0100
> > From: Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk>
> > Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] pdf download
> > To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> > Message-ID: <1376923184.10203.6.camel at justin.llw.rokcorp.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > On Mon, 2013-08-19 at 15:30 +0100, roger wrote:
> >> Hi there
> >> I tried to download the pdf from the last workshop on pic's but it seems
> >> to be missing on the server.
> >
> > Whoops, that should now be fixed.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Hackspace mailing list
> > Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> > http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
> >
> >
> > End of Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 10
> > ****************************************
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Hackspace mailing list
> Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
>
>
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From justin at discordia.org.uk  Thu Aug 22 12:40:03 2013
From: justin at discordia.org.uk (Justin Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 12:40:03 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 11
In-Reply-To: <CAAEY5oNLShEfkHN4XZzqSefL7DdkpU1jYSRjRo88ojKhHHr4ZQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201308221100.r7MB038T003243@stoneship.org.uk>
	<CAAEY5oNLShEfkHN4XZzqSefL7DdkpU1jYSRjRo88ojKhHHr4ZQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1377171603.12328.2.camel@justin.llw.rokcorp.com>

On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 12:20 +0100, Tim Moore wrote:
> Tuesday's meeting ... if it not at the usual venue at the Uni, I need
> to know urgently as I'm going off-air/internet until after the start
> of the meeting.
> 
> 
> Hate to be sitting in Lecture room 1 on my own !  *LOL*

It has been mentioned in other posts, and on the website, that its going
to be in the Vivian Arms, Sketty.  Someone is supposedly trying to book
the back room we used before, otherwise we will find a quiet corner to
occupy.
 





From napalmllama at gmail.com  Thu Aug 22 13:06:57 2013
From: napalmllama at gmail.com (Tom Lloyd)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 13:06:57 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 11
In-Reply-To: <CAAEY5oNLShEfkHN4XZzqSefL7DdkpU1jYSRjRo88ojKhHHr4ZQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201308221100.r7MB038T003243@stoneship.org.uk>
	<CAAEY5oNLShEfkHN4XZzqSefL7DdkpU1jYSRjRo88ojKhHHr4ZQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAF85AwW32FSyQvAXvpWpJ+GNnMOanE3AQBNRO03YY32o7nu0yQ@mail.gmail.com>

It's planned to be in the back room of a pub, but unfortunately the Vivian
is already booked on Tuesday night.  I'll look into other venues and report
back as soon as I've found somewhere.

Cheers,
Tom


On 22 August 2013 12:20, Tim Moore <timmoore47 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Tuesday's meeting ... if it not at the usual venue at the Uni, I need to
> know urgently as I'm going off-air/internet until after the start of the
> meeting.
>
> Hate to be sitting in Lecture room 1 on my own !  *LOL*
>
> :  )
>
> Tim_1
>
>
> On 22 August 2013 12:00, <hackspace-request at swansea.hackspace.org.uk>wrote:
>
>> Send Hackspace mailing list submissions to
>>         hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>>
>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>>         http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>         hackspace-request at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>>
>> You can reach the person managing the list at
>>         hackspace-owner at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>>
>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>> than "Re: Contents of Hackspace digest..."
>>
>>
>> Today's Topics:
>>
>>    1. Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 10 (Graham Owens)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 19:45:55 +0100
>> From: Graham Owens <grahamowensuk at googlemail.com>
>> Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 10
>> To: "hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk"
>>         <hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk>
>> Message-ID: <A11B0BCC-5AB9-4B01-901E-A1F9C0427481 at googlemail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset=us-ascii
>>
>>
>> Hi guys
>>
>> Just had an email from TI (texas instruments), with a coupon code on it,
>> so i just ordered a dev kit, 24$ and got it free, with free delivery.  The
>> code is not user specific, so if any of you want to give it a try.
>>
>> Go to estore.ti.com
>>
>>
>> Stick stuff in your basket up to $25, cehckout (you may need to create an
>> account - WHY DONT YOU HAVE AN ACCOUNT :P, then on the right hand side is
>> your basket.  In the coupon box enter "National-1yr" and apply the coupon.
>>  The screen will change from enter your credit card to there is no charge
>> for this order, click to proceed.
>>
>> You now get whatever you ordered free.  Please dont abuse it guys, but i
>> managed to get a usb dev kit.
>>
>> See you'all on Tuesday.
>>
>> Has the pub been decided yet?
>>
>> Best Regards
>>
>> Graham Owens
>>
>> On 20 Aug 2013, at 12:00, hackspace-request at swansea.hackspace.org.ukwrote:
>>
>> > Send Hackspace mailing list submissions to
>> >    hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> >
>> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>> >    http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
>> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>> >    hackspace-request at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> >
>> > You can reach the person managing the list at
>> >    hackspace-owner at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> >
>> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>> > than "Re: Contents of Hackspace digest..."
>> >
>> >
>> > Today's Topics:
>> >
>> >   1. Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 9 (Tim Moore)
>> >   2. Re: Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 9 (Steven Whitehouse)
>> >   3. pdf download (roger)
>> >   4. Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 9 (Graham Owens)
>> >   5. Re: Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 9 (Justin Mitchell)
>> >   6. Re: pdf download (Justin Mitchell)
>> >
>> >
>> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 1
>> > Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 14:45:32 +0100
>> > From: Tim Moore <timmoore47 at gmail.com>
>> > Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 9
>> > To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> > Message-ID:
>> >    <CAAEY5oO0B83YqmgOKJhh_Kr8XjDvPGuokCF-BaytXiaXzQLbBw at mail.gmail.com>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>> >
>> > 12F1840  we used, what  others would you suggest ?
>> >
>> > : )
>> >
>> > Tim_1
>> >
>> > PS date of next meeting ?
>> >
>> >
>> > On 19 August 2013 12:00, <hackspace-request at swansea.hackspace.org.uk>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Send Hackspace mailing list submissions to
>> >>        hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> >>
>> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>> >>        http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
>> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>> >>        hackspace-request at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> >>
>> >> You can reach the person managing the list at
>> >>        hackspace-owner at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> >>
>> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>> >> than "Re: Contents of Hackspace digest..."
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Today's Topics:
>> >>
>> >>   1. Re: Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 7 (Justin Mitchell)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>
>> >> Message: 1
>> >> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 22:03:07 +0100
>> >> From: Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk>
>> >> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 7
>> >> To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> >> Message-ID: <1376859787.5741.8.camel at emerald.geode.org.uk>
>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, 2013-08-18 at 09:33 +0100, Tim Moore wrote:
>> >>> On a similar theme,  I have spare
>> >>>
>> >>> 12F509 @  59p
>> >>> 12F629  @  82p
>> >>> 12F675  @ 89p
>> >>
>> >> I would not recommend any of these devices for beginners, they have
>> only
>> >> a small set of the features, very restricted memory, and no uart, so
>> >> cannot be used with a bootloader. They are also only pennies cheaper
>> >> than the latest generation devices that I have been supplying for
>> >> tutorials.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ------------------------------
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Hackspace mailing list
>> >> Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> >> http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> End of Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 9
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>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 2
>> > Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 14:53:27 +0100
>> > From: Steven Whitehouse <steve at chygwyn.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 9
>> > To: Tim Moore <timmoore47 at gmail.com>
>> > Cc: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> > Message-ID: <1376920407.2679.11.camel at menhir>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > On Mon, 2013-08-19 at 14:45 +0100, Tim Moore wrote:
>> >> 12F1840  we used, what  others would you suggest ?
>> >>
>> >> : )
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Tim_1
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> PS date of next meeting ?
>> > I'm not a PIC expert, but I think the next meeting is Tuesday 27th
>> > August if I remember rightly. I'm hoping to be able to pop down for that
>> > if I'm able to book my riding lesson for Wednesday as per usual since I
>> > should then be free on the Tuesday,
>> >
>> > Steve.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> On 19 August 2013 12:00, <hackspace-request at swansea.hackspace.org.uk>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>        Send Hackspace mailing list submissions to
>> >>                hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> >>
>> >>        To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>> >>                http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
>> >>        or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>> >>                hackspace-request at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> >>
>> >>        You can reach the person managing the list at
>> >>                hackspace-owner at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> >>
>> >>        When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more
>> >>        specific
>> >>        than "Re: Contents of Hackspace digest..."
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>        Today's Topics:
>> >>
>> >>           1. Re: Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 7 (Justin
>> >>        Mitchell)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>
>> >>        Message: 1
>> >>        Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 22:03:07 +0100
>> >>        From: Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk>
>> >>        Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8,
>> >>        Issue 7
>> >>        To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> >>        Message-ID: <1376859787.5741.8.camel at emerald.geode.org.uk>
>> >>        Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>> >>
>> >>        On Sun, 2013-08-18 at 09:33 +0100, Tim Moore wrote:
>> >>> On a similar theme,  I have spare
>> >>>
>> >>> 12F509 @  59p
>> >>> 12F629  @  82p
>> >>> 12F675  @ 89p
>> >>
>> >>        I would not recommend any of these devices for beginners, they
>> >>        have only
>> >>        a small set of the features, very restricted memory, and no
>> >>        uart, so
>> >>        cannot be used with a bootloader. They are also only pennies
>> >>        cheaper
>> >>        than the latest generation devices that I have been supplying
>> >>        for
>> >>        tutorials.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>        ------------------------------
>> >>
>> >>        _______________________________________________
>> >>        Hackspace mailing list
>> >>        Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> >>        http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>        End of Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 9
>> >>        ***************************************
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Hackspace mailing list
>> >> Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> >> http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 3
>> > Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 15:30:27 +0100
>> > From: roger <roger at brecon.co.uk>
>> > Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] pdf download
>> > To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> > Message-ID: <52122C03.7020009 at brecon.co.uk>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>> >
>> > Hi there
>> > I tried to download the pdf from the last workshop on pic's but it seems
>> > to be missing on the server.
>> > regards
>> > Roger
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 4
>> > Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 15:37:38 +0100
>> > From: Graham Owens <grahamowensuk at googlemail.com>
>> > Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 9
>> > To: "hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk"
>> >    <hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk>
>> > Message-ID: <02E19733-17B9-4F6C-8946-82DBC5D39F61 at googlemail.com>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=us-ascii
>> >
>> > Although the 12f675 is very handy to have as a swiss army knife
>> solution.
>> >
>> > On 19 Aug 2013, at 12:00, hackspace-request at swansea.hackspace.org.ukwrote:
>> >
>> >> Send Hackspace mailing list submissions to
>> >>   hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> >>
>> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>> >>   http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
>> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>> >>   hackspace-request at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> >>
>> >> You can reach the person managing the list at
>> >>   hackspace-owner at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> >>
>> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>> >> than "Re: Contents of Hackspace digest..."
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Today's Topics:
>> >>
>> >>  1. Re: Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 7 (Justin Mitchell)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>
>> >> Message: 1
>> >> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 22:03:07 +0100
>> >> From: Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk>
>> >> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 7
>> >> To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> >> Message-ID: <1376859787.5741.8.camel at emerald.geode.org.uk>
>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, 2013-08-18 at 09:33 +0100, Tim Moore wrote:
>> >>> On a similar theme,  I have spare
>> >>>
>> >>> 12F509 @  59p
>> >>> 12F629  @  82p
>> >>> 12F675  @ 89p
>> >>
>> >> I would not recommend any of these devices for beginners, they have
>> only
>> >> a small set of the features, very restricted memory, and no uart, so
>> >> cannot be used with a bootloader. They are also only pennies cheaper
>> >> than the latest generation devices that I have been supplying for
>> >> tutorials.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ------------------------------
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Hackspace mailing list
>> >> Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> >> http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> End of Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 9
>> >> ***************************************
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 5
>> > Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 15:38:30 +0100
>> > From: Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk>
>> > Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 9
>> > To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> > Message-ID: <1376923110.10203.5.camel at justin.llw.rokcorp.com>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>> >
>> > On Mon, 2013-08-19 at 14:45 +0100, Tim Moore wrote:
>> >> 12F1840  we used, what  others would you suggest ?
>> > for 14-pin the 16F1455 which is going to be the basis of future
>> > workshops.
>> >
>> > bought by the 10 from farnell they are 84p and 110p respectively.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> PS date of next meeting ?
>> >
>> > Tuesday 27th
>> >
>> > It is due to be a social meeting, and due to our current, hopefully
>> > temporary, problem with booking rooms in the university, we are going to
>> > hold it in a pub instead.  Still waiting for confirmation, but it will
>> > likely be the Vivian Arms in Sketty where we held the very first
>> > meeting.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 6
>> > Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 15:39:44 +0100
>> > From: Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk>
>> > Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] pdf download
>> > To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> > Message-ID: <1376923184.10203.6.camel at justin.llw.rokcorp.com>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>> >
>> > On Mon, 2013-08-19 at 15:30 +0100, roger wrote:
>> >> Hi there
>> >> I tried to download the pdf from the last workshop on pic's but it
>> seems
>> >> to be missing on the server.
>> >
>> > Whoops, that should now be fixed.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Hackspace mailing list
>> > Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> > http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
>> >
>> >
>> > End of Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 10
>> > ****************************************
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Hackspace mailing list
>> Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
>>
>>
>> End of Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 11
>> ****************************************
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
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From steve at chygwyn.com  Thu Aug 22 13:09:52 2013
From: steve at chygwyn.com (Steven Whitehouse)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 13:09:52 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 11
In-Reply-To: <CAAEY5oNLShEfkHN4XZzqSefL7DdkpU1jYSRjRo88ojKhHHr4ZQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201308221100.r7MB038T003243@stoneship.org.uk>
	<CAAEY5oNLShEfkHN4XZzqSefL7DdkpU1jYSRjRo88ojKhHHr4ZQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1377173392.2720.31.camel@menhir>

Hi,

On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 12:20 +0100, Tim Moore wrote:
> Tuesday's meeting ... if it not at the usual venue at the Uni, I need
> to know urgently as I'm going off-air/internet until after the start
> of the meeting.
> 
> 
> Hate to be sitting in Lecture room 1 on my own !  *LOL*
> 
> :  )
> 
> 
> Tim_1
> 
Perhaps it would be safest if you could let someone know your mobile
number and then we can update you that way?

Steve.

> 
> 
> On 22 August 2013 12:00, <hackspace-request at swansea.hackspace.org.uk>
> wrote:
>         Send Hackspace mailing list submissions to
>                 hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>         
>         To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>                 http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
>         or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>                 hackspace-request at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>         
>         You can reach the person managing the list at
>                 hackspace-owner at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>         
>         When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more
>         specific
>         than "Re: Contents of Hackspace digest..."
>         
>         
>         Today's Topics:
>         
>            1. Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 10 (Graham Owens)
>         
>         
>         ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>         
>         Message: 1
>         Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 19:45:55 +0100
>         From: Graham Owens <grahamowensuk at googlemail.com>
>         Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8,
>         Issue 10
>         To: "hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk"
>                 <hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk>
>         Message-ID:
>         <A11B0BCC-5AB9-4B01-901E-A1F9C0427481 at googlemail.com>
>         Content-Type: text/plain;       charset=us-ascii
>         
>         
>         Hi guys
>         
>         Just had an email from TI (texas instruments), with a coupon
>         code on it, so i just ordered a dev kit, 24$ and got it free,
>         with free delivery.  The code is not user specific, so if any
>         of you want to give it a try.
>         
>         Go to estore.ti.com
>         
>         
>         Stick stuff in your basket up to $25, cehckout (you may need
>         to create an account - WHY DONT YOU HAVE AN ACCOUNT :P, then
>         on the right hand side is your basket.  In the coupon box
>         enter "National-1yr" and apply the coupon.  The screen will
>         change from enter your credit card to there is no charge for
>         this order, click to proceed.
>         
>         You now get whatever you ordered free.  Please dont abuse it
>         guys, but i managed to get a usb dev kit.
>         
>         See you'all on Tuesday.
>         
>         Has the pub been decided yet?
>         
>         Best Regards
>         
>         Graham Owens
>         
>         On 20 Aug 2013, at 12:00,
>         hackspace-request at swansea.hackspace.org.uk wrote:
>         
>         > Send Hackspace mailing list submissions to
>         >    hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>         >
>         > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>         >    http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
>         > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>         >    hackspace-request at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>         >
>         > You can reach the person managing the list at
>         >    hackspace-owner at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>         >
>         > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more
>         specific
>         > than "Re: Contents of Hackspace digest..."
>         >
>         >
>         > Today's Topics:
>         >
>         >   1. Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 9 (Tim Moore)
>         >   2. Re: Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 9 (Steven
>         Whitehouse)
>         >   3. pdf download (roger)
>         >   4. Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 9 (Graham Owens)
>         >   5. Re: Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 9 (Justin
>         Mitchell)
>         >   6. Re: pdf download (Justin Mitchell)
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>         >
>         > Message: 1
>         > Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 14:45:32 +0100
>         > From: Tim Moore <timmoore47 at gmail.com>
>         > Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8,
>         Issue 9
>         > To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>         > Message-ID:
>         >
>          <CAAEY5oO0B83YqmgOKJhh_Kr8XjDvPGuokCF-BaytXiaXzQLbBw at mail.gmail.com>
>         > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>         >
>         > 12F1840  we used, what  others would you suggest ?
>         >
>         > : )
>         >
>         > Tim_1
>         >
>         > PS date of next meeting ?
>         >
>         >
>         > On 19 August 2013 12:00,
>         <hackspace-request at swansea.hackspace.org.uk> wrote:
>         >
>         >> Send Hackspace mailing list submissions to
>         >>        hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>         >>
>         >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>         >>        http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
>         >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help'
>         to
>         >>        hackspace-request at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>         >>
>         >> You can reach the person managing the list at
>         >>        hackspace-owner at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>         >>
>         >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more
>         specific
>         >> than "Re: Contents of Hackspace digest..."
>         >>
>         >>
>         >> Today's Topics:
>         >>
>         >>   1. Re: Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 7 (Justin
>         Mitchell)
>         >>
>         >>
>         >>
>         ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>         >>
>         >> Message: 1
>         >> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 22:03:07 +0100
>         >> From: Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk>
>         >> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol
>         8, Issue 7
>         >> To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>         >> Message-ID: <1376859787.5741.8.camel at emerald.geode.org.uk>
>         >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>         >>
>         >> On Sun, 2013-08-18 at 09:33 +0100, Tim Moore wrote:
>         >>> On a similar theme,  I have spare
>         >>>
>         >>> 12F509 @  59p
>         >>> 12F629  @  82p
>         >>> 12F675  @ 89p
>         >>
>         >> I would not recommend any of these devices for beginners,
>         they have only
>         >> a small set of the features, very restricted memory, and no
>         uart, so
>         >> cannot be used with a bootloader. They are also only
>         pennies cheaper
>         >> than the latest generation devices that I have been
>         supplying for
>         >> tutorials.
>         >>
>         >>
>         >>
>         >>
>         >>
>         >> ------------------------------
>         >>
>         >> _______________________________________________
>         >> Hackspace mailing list
>         >> Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>         >> http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
>         >>
>         >>
>         >> End of Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 9
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>         > ------------------------------
>         >
>         > Message: 2
>         > Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 14:53:27 +0100
>         > From: Steven Whitehouse <steve at chygwyn.com>
>         > Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol
>         8, Issue 9
>         > To: Tim Moore <timmoore47 at gmail.com>
>         > Cc: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>         > Message-ID: <1376920407.2679.11.camel at menhir>
>         > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>         >
>         > Hi,
>         >
>         > On Mon, 2013-08-19 at 14:45 +0100, Tim Moore wrote:
>         >> 12F1840  we used, what  others would you suggest ?
>         >>
>         >> : )
>         >>
>         >>
>         >> Tim_1
>         >>
>         >>
>         >> PS date of next meeting ?
>         > I'm not a PIC expert, but I think the next meeting is
>         Tuesday 27th
>         > August if I remember rightly. I'm hoping to be able to pop
>         down for that
>         > if I'm able to book my riding lesson for Wednesday as per
>         usual since I
>         > should then be free on the Tuesday,
>         >
>         > Steve.
>         >
>         >>
>         >> On 19 August 2013 12:00,
>         <hackspace-request at swansea.hackspace.org.uk>
>         >> wrote:
>         >>        Send Hackspace mailing list submissions to
>         >>                hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>         >>
>         >>        To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web,
>         visit
>         >>
>          http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
>         >>        or, via email, send a message with subject or body
>         'help' to
>         >>                hackspace-request at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>         >>
>         >>        You can reach the person managing the list at
>         >>                hackspace-owner at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>         >>
>         >>        When replying, please edit your Subject line so it
>         is more
>         >>        specific
>         >>        than "Re: Contents of Hackspace digest..."
>         >>
>         >>
>         >>        Today's Topics:
>         >>
>         >>           1. Re: Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 7
>         (Justin
>         >>        Mitchell)
>         >>
>         >>
>         >>
>          ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>         >>
>         >>        Message: 1
>         >>        Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 22:03:07 +0100
>         >>        From: Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk>
>         >>        Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace
>         Digest, Vol 8,
>         >>        Issue 7
>         >>        To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>         >>        Message-ID:
>         <1376859787.5741.8.camel at emerald.geode.org.uk>
>         >>        Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>         >>
>         >>        On Sun, 2013-08-18 at 09:33 +0100, Tim Moore wrote:
>         >>> On a similar theme,  I have spare
>         >>>
>         >>> 12F509 @  59p
>         >>> 12F629  @  82p
>         >>> 12F675  @ 89p
>         >>
>         >>        I would not recommend any of these devices for
>         beginners, they
>         >>        have only
>         >>        a small set of the features, very restricted memory,
>         and no
>         >>        uart, so
>         >>        cannot be used with a bootloader. They are also only
>         pennies
>         >>        cheaper
>         >>        than the latest generation devices that I have been
>         supplying
>         >>        for
>         >>        tutorials.
>         >>
>         >>
>         >>
>         >>
>         >>
>         >>        ------------------------------
>         >>
>         >>        _______________________________________________
>         >>        Hackspace mailing list
>         >>        Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>         >>        http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
>         >>
>         >>
>         >>        End of Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 9
>         >>        ***************************************
>         >>
>         >>
>         >> _______________________________________________
>         >> Hackspace mailing list
>         >> Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>         >> http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         > ------------------------------
>         >
>         > Message: 3
>         > Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 15:30:27 +0100
>         > From: roger <roger at brecon.co.uk>
>         > Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] pdf download
>         > To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>         > Message-ID: <52122C03.7020009 at brecon.co.uk>
>         > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>         >
>         > Hi there
>         > I tried to download the pdf from the last workshop on pic's
>         but it seems
>         > to be missing on the server.
>         > regards
>         > Roger
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         > ------------------------------
>         >
>         > Message: 4
>         > Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 15:37:38 +0100
>         > From: Graham Owens <grahamowensuk at googlemail.com>
>         > Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8,
>         Issue 9
>         > To: "hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk"
>         >    <hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk>
>         > Message-ID:
>         <02E19733-17B9-4F6C-8946-82DBC5D39F61 at googlemail.com>
>         > Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=us-ascii
>         >
>         > Although the 12f675 is very handy to have as a swiss army
>         knife solution.
>         >
>         > On 19 Aug 2013, at 12:00,
>         hackspace-request at swansea.hackspace.org.uk wrote:
>         >
>         >> Send Hackspace mailing list submissions to
>         >>   hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>         >>
>         >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>         >>   http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
>         >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help'
>         to
>         >>   hackspace-request at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>         >>
>         >> You can reach the person managing the list at
>         >>   hackspace-owner at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>         >>
>         >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more
>         specific
>         >> than "Re: Contents of Hackspace digest..."
>         >>
>         >>
>         >> Today's Topics:
>         >>
>         >>  1. Re: Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 7 (Justin
>         Mitchell)
>         >>
>         >>
>         >>
>         ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>         >>
>         >> Message: 1
>         >> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 22:03:07 +0100
>         >> From: Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk>
>         >> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol
>         8, Issue 7
>         >> To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>         >> Message-ID: <1376859787.5741.8.camel at emerald.geode.org.uk>
>         >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>         >>
>         >> On Sun, 2013-08-18 at 09:33 +0100, Tim Moore wrote:
>         >>> On a similar theme,  I have spare
>         >>>
>         >>> 12F509 @  59p
>         >>> 12F629  @  82p
>         >>> 12F675  @ 89p
>         >>
>         >> I would not recommend any of these devices for beginners,
>         they have only
>         >> a small set of the features, very restricted memory, and no
>         uart, so
>         >> cannot be used with a bootloader. They are also only
>         pennies cheaper
>         >> than the latest generation devices that I have been
>         supplying for
>         >> tutorials.
>         >>
>         >>
>         >>
>         >>
>         >>
>         >> ------------------------------
>         >>
>         >> _______________________________________________
>         >> Hackspace mailing list
>         >> Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>         >> http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
>         >>
>         >>
>         >> End of Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 9
>         >> ***************************************
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         > ------------------------------
>         >
>         > Message: 5
>         > Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 15:38:30 +0100
>         > From: Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk>
>         > Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol
>         8, Issue 9
>         > To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>         > Message-ID:
>         <1376923110.10203.5.camel at justin.llw.rokcorp.com>
>         > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>         >
>         > On Mon, 2013-08-19 at 14:45 +0100, Tim Moore wrote:
>         >> 12F1840  we used, what  others would you suggest ?
>         > for 14-pin the 16F1455 which is going to be the basis of
>         future
>         > workshops.
>         >
>         > bought by the 10 from farnell they are 84p and 110p
>         respectively.
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >> PS date of next meeting ?
>         >
>         > Tuesday 27th
>         >
>         > It is due to be a social meeting, and due to our current,
>         hopefully
>         > temporary, problem with booking rooms in the university, we
>         are going to
>         > hold it in a pub instead.  Still waiting for confirmation,
>         but it will
>         > likely be the Vivian Arms in Sketty where we held the very
>         first
>         > meeting.
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         > ------------------------------
>         >
>         > Message: 6
>         > Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 15:39:44 +0100
>         > From: Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk>
>         > Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] pdf download
>         > To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>         > Message-ID:
>         <1376923184.10203.6.camel at justin.llw.rokcorp.com>
>         > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>         >
>         > On Mon, 2013-08-19 at 15:30 +0100, roger wrote:
>         >> Hi there
>         >> I tried to download the pdf from the last workshop on pic's
>         but it seems
>         >> to be missing on the server.
>         >
>         > Whoops, that should now be fixed.
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         > ------------------------------
>         >
>         > _______________________________________________
>         > Hackspace mailing list
>         > Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>         > http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
>         >
>         >
>         > End of Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 10
>         > ****************************************
>         
>         
>         
>         ------------------------------
>         
>         _______________________________________________
>         Hackspace mailing list
>         Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>         http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
>         
>         
>         End of Hackspace Digest, Vol 8, Issue 11
>         ****************************************
> 
> 
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From napalmllama at gmail.com  Thu Aug 22 13:52:23 2013
From: napalmllama at gmail.com (Tom Lloyd)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 13:52:23 +0100
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] TUESDAY Social Meeting
Message-ID: <CAF85AwWPa_WFdxPR8HYwFOhBbvXNpuotEEuwQ=YwfsZqNzyTdw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

The place we held our first meeting is booked up unfortunately, so I've
reserved a table at Pub on the Pond instead.

The next social meeting is *Tuesday the 27th of August, *at *Pub on the
Pond, *at *7pm.*  The reservation is for 8-10 people, but we can take over
other tables as more of us arrive.

The pub is literally next door to the university.  Does everyone know how
to get there?

Cheers,
Tom Lloyd
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