From timmoore47 at gmail.com  Thu Nov  7 10:22:08 2013
From: timmoore47 at gmail.com (Tim Moore)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 10:22:08 +0000
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 11, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <201311011200.rA1C04OV025744@stoneship.org.uk>
References: <201311011200.rA1C04OV025744@stoneship.org.uk>
Message-ID: <CAAEY5oOEtrH3CtbAfOzL-69ULPho4AHaYFzE9zyUoNYUfns-Dw@mail.gmail.com>

Thoroughly enjoy the meeting and new Venue was fine.

Now the technical bit:-

The use of the USB to get hex files loaded into a Pic is a major advance !

However having proved my Programmer worked OK and the bootloader settles
into my 16F1455, I missed out on some other vital details.

I thought I'd use a 64 bit PC running Ubuntu 13.4 Linux as the main
computer for down loading hex files into the 16F1455.

The file I'm trying to get work is 'boot_linux.x_64'  :  Now here comes a
string of questions:-

The suggestion is to start with:-   boot -v  myproject.hex

1_      is best in a folder called 'bin' ?  in the root directory ? or in
the 'home' directory ?

2_      does 'boot_linux.x_64' need renaming 'boot' for ease of use ?

3_      using bash with sudo invoked , is it best to be in the 'bin' folder
?

4_      does its properties need changing for it to execute ?  If so what
is the command and syntax ?

( I'm used to getting shell scripts working and excecuting, but am a blank
slate on getting this working)   (Maybe there is a paragraph of
instructions I've missed somewhere)

So far I've not met with 'boot' waking up when invoked just error
messages...   giving me the feeling I've missed something 'noddy' along the
way.

Any thoughts very welcomw !

:  )))

Tim_1



On 1 November 2013 12:00, <hackspace-request at swansea.hackspace.org.uk>wrote:

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> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 19:24:42 +0000
> From: Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk>
> Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] [Announce] Technical Meeting -
>         Micro-Controllers Workshop #1
> To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
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> 7pm Monday 4th November 2013
> Volcano Theatre, 229 High Street, Swansea.
>
> A hands on workshop teaching the basics of using small, cheap computing
> devices to build circuits that can automate and interact with the
> physical world. This session will be covering the Getting Started
> (buttons and lights) and Communications (serial ports) tutorials.
>
> Participants will need to bring their Starter Kit and a suitable laptop,
> it would be advisable to download and install the software in advance
> (links on the website). I have a few loan kits for anyone that doesn't
> already have a Starter Kit.
>
> Thanks to Volcano Swansea  for the generous use of their meeting space
> for this event.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
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From justin at discordia.org.uk  Thu Nov  7 15:13:33 2013
From: justin at discordia.org.uk (Justin Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 15:13:33 +0000
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 11, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <CAAEY5oOEtrH3CtbAfOzL-69ULPho4AHaYFzE9zyUoNYUfns-Dw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201311011200.rA1C04OV025744@stoneship.org.uk>
	<CAAEY5oOEtrH3CtbAfOzL-69ULPho4AHaYFzE9zyUoNYUfns-Dw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1383837213.28738.5.camel@justin.llw.rokcorp.com>

On Thu, 2013-11-07 at 10:22 +0000, Tim Moore wrote:


> The file I'm trying to get work is 'boot_linux.x_64'  :  Now here
comes a string of questions:-
> 
> 
> The suggestion is to start with:-   boot -v  myproject.hex
> 
> 
> 1_      is best in a folder called 'bin' ?  in the root directory ? or
> in the 'home' directory ?

Either just leave a copy in the directory you like working in, or
install it for the whole system by putting it in /usr/local/bin/

> 2_      does 'boot_linux.x_64' need renaming 'boot' for ease of use ?
whatever you want to call it, just dont name it after an existing
command on your system or itll be very confusing.

> 3_      using bash with sudo invoked , is it best to be in the 'bin'
> folder ?
doesnt matter what directory you are in when you do a sudo

if you add your username to whatever group owns /dev/ttyUSB0 which is
often the 'dialout' group, then you wont need sudo.

also make sure you dont have modemmanager installed, (an optional part
of NetworkManager) as it will keep grabbing the serial port and sending
it gibberish (AT modem commands).

> 4_      does its properties need changing for it to execute ?  If so
> what is the command and syntax ? 
it needs to have the execute bits set, yes. 
eg chmod a+x ./boot_linux.x86_64

Hope that addresses everything






From timmoore47 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  8 12:07:59 2013
From: timmoore47 at gmail.com (Tim Moore)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 12:07:59 +0000
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 11, Issue 2
In-Reply-To: <201311081200.rA8C04Am024205@stoneship.org.uk>
References: <201311081200.rA8C04Am024205@stoneship.org.uk>
Message-ID: <CAAEY5oPSr_q=_2LKNOqQrnx+tKxftxAjocbbfPp7G=xAHpWtsw@mail.gmail.com>

Brill, I'll try that out over the weekend !

Many many thanks !

:  )))

Tim_1


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> Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 11, Issue 1
> To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> Message-ID:
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>
> Thoroughly enjoy the meeting and new Venue was fine.
>
> Now the technical bit:-
>
> The use of the USB to get hex files loaded into a Pic is a major advance !
>
> However having proved my Programmer worked OK and the bootloader settles
> into my 16F1455, I missed out on some other vital details.
>
> I thought I'd use a 64 bit PC running Ubuntu 13.4 Linux as the main
> computer for down loading hex files into the 16F1455.
>
> The file I'm trying to get work is 'boot_linux.x_64'  :  Now here comes a
> string of questions:-
>
> The suggestion is to start with:-   boot -v  myproject.hex
>
> 1_      is best in a folder called 'bin' ?  in the root directory ? or in
> the 'home' directory ?
>
> 2_      does 'boot_linux.x_64' need renaming 'boot' for ease of use ?
>
> 3_      using bash with sudo invoked , is it best to be in the 'bin' folder
> ?
>
> 4_      does its properties need changing for it to execute ?  If so what
> is the command and syntax ?
>
> ( I'm used to getting shell scripts working and excecuting, but am a blank
> slate on getting this working)   (Maybe there is a paragraph of
> instructions I've missed somewhere)
>
> So far I've not met with 'boot' waking up when invoked just error
> messages...   giving me the feeling I've missed something 'noddy' along the
> way.
>
> Any thoughts very welcomw !
>
> :  )))
>
> Tim_1
>
>
>
> On 1 November 2013 12:00, <hackspace-request at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> >wrote:
>
> > Send Hackspace mailing list submissions to
> >         hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
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> >         hackspace-request at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> >
> > You can reach the person managing the list at
> >         hackspace-owner at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> >
> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> > than "Re: Contents of Hackspace digest..."
> >
> >
> > Today's Topics:
> >
> >    1. [Announce] Technical Meeting -    Micro-Controllers Workshop #1
> >       (Justin Mitchell)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 19:24:42 +0000
> > From: Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk>
> > Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] [Announce] Technical Meeting -
> >         Micro-Controllers Workshop #1
> > To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> > Message-ID: <1383247482.7395.13.camel at emerald.geode.org.uk>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > 7pm Monday 4th November 2013
> > Volcano Theatre, 229 High Street, Swansea.
> >
> > A hands on workshop teaching the basics of using small, cheap computing
> > devices to build circuits that can automate and interact with the
> > physical world. This session will be covering the Getting Started
> > (buttons and lights) and Communications (serial ports) tutorials.
> >
> > Participants will need to bring their Starter Kit and a suitable laptop,
> > it would be advisable to download and install the software in advance
> > (links on the website). I have a few loan kits for anyone that doesn't
> > already have a Starter Kit.
> >
> > Thanks to Volcano Swansea  for the generous use of their meeting space
> > for this event.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Hackspace mailing list
> > Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> > http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
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> From: Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 11, Issue 1
> To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> Message-ID: <1383837213.28738.5.camel at justin.llw.rokcorp.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> On Thu, 2013-11-07 at 10:22 +0000, Tim Moore wrote:
>
>
> > The file I'm trying to get work is 'boot_linux.x_64'  :  Now here
> comes a string of questions:-
> >
> >
> > The suggestion is to start with:-   boot -v  myproject.hex
> >
> >
> > 1_      is best in a folder called 'bin' ?  in the root directory ? or
> > in the 'home' directory ?
>
> Either just leave a copy in the directory you like working in, or
> install it for the whole system by putting it in /usr/local/bin/
>
> > 2_      does 'boot_linux.x_64' need renaming 'boot' for ease of use ?
> whatever you want to call it, just dont name it after an existing
> command on your system or itll be very confusing.
>
> > 3_      using bash with sudo invoked , is it best to be in the 'bin'
> > folder ?
> doesnt matter what directory you are in when you do a sudo
>
> if you add your username to whatever group owns /dev/ttyUSB0 which is
> often the 'dialout' group, then you wont need sudo.
>
> also make sure you dont have modemmanager installed, (an optional part
> of NetworkManager) as it will keep grabbing the serial port and sending
> it gibberish (AT modem commands).
>
> > 4_      does its properties need changing for it to execute ?  If so
> > what is the command and syntax ?
> it needs to have the execute bits set, yes.
> eg chmod a+x ./boot_linux.x86_64
>
> Hope that addresses everything
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
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From timmoore47 at gmail.com  Sat Nov  9 09:43:11 2013
From: timmoore47 at gmail.com (Tim Moore)
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2013 09:43:11 +0000
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 11, Issue 2
In-Reply-To: <CAAEY5oPSr_q=_2LKNOqQrnx+tKxftxAjocbbfPp7G=xAHpWtsw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201311081200.rA8C04Am024205@stoneship.org.uk>
	<CAAEY5oPSr_q=_2LKNOqQrnx+tKxftxAjocbbfPp7G=xAHpWtsw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAEY5oMjU4fTV_eWxVzssEz-6iyYJoLkPTQr4R7e8+Cy-66nBg@mail.gmail.com>

It worked !

For the record here is what I did:

I had a fresh install of Ubuntu 64 bit 13.04

I went to 'home' and with the GUI:-

1_  I created a directory called 'usb'

2_ in it I copied 'boot_linux.x64' into it and renamed it 'bootusb'

3_ I copied a hex file 'test.hex'

4_ using control/alt/t I woke up bash

5_ cd usb

6_ chmod a+x ./bootusb

7_ sudo ./bootusb - v test.hex

8_ it came back with 'Please reset the device to enter bootloader mode'.
Which was shorting pin 4 of the 16F1455 to 0v.

9_ pressing the enter key resulted in 'Device (Write and Verify) Complete

Now for me I've not got a very easy to set up way of getting programs into
Pic chips !

That would have taken me ages and ages to get working without Justin's
infinite patience and help !

So many many many thanks to Justin and the HackSpace community !

:  ))))))

Tim_1


On 8 November 2013 12:07, Tim Moore <timmoore47 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Brill, I'll try that out over the weekend !
>
> Many many thanks !
>
> :  )))
>
> Tim_1
>
>
> On 8 November 2013 12:00, <hackspace-request at swansea.hackspace.org.uk>wrote:
>
>> Send Hackspace mailing list submissions to
>>         hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
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>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>         hackspace-request at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>>
>> You can reach the person managing the list at
>>         hackspace-owner at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>>
>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>> than "Re: Contents of Hackspace digest..."
>>
>>
>> Today's Topics:
>>
>>    1. Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 11, Issue 1 (Tim Moore)
>>    2. Re: Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 11, Issue 1 (Justin Mitchell)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 10:22:08 +0000
>> From: Tim Moore <timmoore47 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 11, Issue 1
>> To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> Message-ID:
>>         <
>> CAAEY5oOEtrH3CtbAfOzL-69ULPho4AHaYFzE9zyUoNYUfns-Dw at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> Thoroughly enjoy the meeting and new Venue was fine.
>>
>> Now the technical bit:-
>>
>> The use of the USB to get hex files loaded into a Pic is a major advance !
>>
>> However having proved my Programmer worked OK and the bootloader settles
>> into my 16F1455, I missed out on some other vital details.
>>
>> I thought I'd use a 64 bit PC running Ubuntu 13.4 Linux as the main
>> computer for down loading hex files into the 16F1455.
>>
>> The file I'm trying to get work is 'boot_linux.x_64'  :  Now here comes a
>> string of questions:-
>>
>> The suggestion is to start with:-   boot -v  myproject.hex
>>
>> 1_      is best in a folder called 'bin' ?  in the root directory ? or in
>> the 'home' directory ?
>>
>> 2_      does 'boot_linux.x_64' need renaming 'boot' for ease of use ?
>>
>> 3_      using bash with sudo invoked , is it best to be in the 'bin'
>> folder
>> ?
>>
>> 4_      does its properties need changing for it to execute ?  If so what
>> is the command and syntax ?
>>
>> ( I'm used to getting shell scripts working and excecuting, but am a blank
>> slate on getting this working)   (Maybe there is a paragraph of
>> instructions I've missed somewhere)
>>
>> So far I've not met with 'boot' waking up when invoked just error
>> messages...   giving me the feeling I've missed something 'noddy' along
>> the
>> way.
>>
>> Any thoughts very welcomw !
>>
>> :  )))
>>
>> Tim_1
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1 November 2013 12:00, <hackspace-request at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> >wrote:
>>
>> > Send Hackspace mailing list submissions to
>> >         hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> >
>> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>> >         http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
>> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>> >         hackspace-request at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> >
>> > You can reach the person managing the list at
>> >         hackspace-owner at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> >
>> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>> > than "Re: Contents of Hackspace digest..."
>> >
>> >
>> > Today's Topics:
>> >
>> >    1. [Announce] Technical Meeting -    Micro-Controllers Workshop #1
>> >       (Justin Mitchell)
>> >
>> >
>> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 1
>> > Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 19:24:42 +0000
>> > From: Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk>
>> > Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] [Announce] Technical Meeting -
>> >         Micro-Controllers Workshop #1
>> > To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> > Message-ID: <1383247482.7395.13.camel at emerald.geode.org.uk>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>> >
>> > 7pm Monday 4th November 2013
>> > Volcano Theatre, 229 High Street, Swansea.
>> >
>> > A hands on workshop teaching the basics of using small, cheap computing
>> > devices to build circuits that can automate and interact with the
>> > physical world. This session will be covering the Getting Started
>> > (buttons and lights) and Communications (serial ports) tutorials.
>> >
>> > Participants will need to bring their Starter Kit and a suitable laptop,
>> > it would be advisable to download and install the software in advance
>> > (links on the website). I have a few loan kits for anyone that doesn't
>> > already have a Starter Kit.
>> >
>> > Thanks to Volcano Swansea  for the generous use of their meeting space
>> > for this event.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Hackspace mailing list
>> > Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> > http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
>> >
>> >
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>> Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 15:13:33 +0000
>> From: Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 11, Issue 1
>> To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> Message-ID: <1383837213.28738.5.camel at justin.llw.rokcorp.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>
>> On Thu, 2013-11-07 at 10:22 +0000, Tim Moore wrote:
>>
>>
>> > The file I'm trying to get work is 'boot_linux.x_64'  :  Now here
>> comes a string of questions:-
>> >
>> >
>> > The suggestion is to start with:-   boot -v  myproject.hex
>> >
>> >
>> > 1_      is best in a folder called 'bin' ?  in the root directory ? or
>> > in the 'home' directory ?
>>
>> Either just leave a copy in the directory you like working in, or
>> install it for the whole system by putting it in /usr/local/bin/
>>
>> > 2_      does 'boot_linux.x_64' need renaming 'boot' for ease of use ?
>> whatever you want to call it, just dont name it after an existing
>> command on your system or itll be very confusing.
>>
>> > 3_      using bash with sudo invoked , is it best to be in the 'bin'
>> > folder ?
>> doesnt matter what directory you are in when you do a sudo
>>
>> if you add your username to whatever group owns /dev/ttyUSB0 which is
>> often the 'dialout' group, then you wont need sudo.
>>
>> also make sure you dont have modemmanager installed, (an optional part
>> of NetworkManager) as it will keep grabbing the serial port and sending
>> it gibberish (AT modem commands).
>>
>> > 4_      does its properties need changing for it to execute ?  If so
>> > what is the command and syntax ?
>> it needs to have the execute bits set, yes.
>> eg chmod a+x ./boot_linux.x86_64
>>
>> Hope that addresses everything
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Hackspace mailing list
>> Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>> http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
>>
>>
>> End of Hackspace Digest, Vol 11, Issue 2
>> ****************************************
>>
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From justin at discordia.org.uk  Fri Nov 15 12:12:54 2013
From: justin at discordia.org.uk (Justin Mitchell)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 12:12:54 +0000
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] [Announce] Social Meeting, Mon 18th November
Message-ID: <1384517574.30483.4.camel@justin.llw.rokcorp.com>

Social and Community Meeting
7pm, Monday 18th November 2013
Pub on the Pond, Singleton Park, Swansea

Our regular monthly social and community meeting.





From justin at discordia.org.uk  Fri Nov 22 12:05:06 2013
From: justin at discordia.org.uk (Justin Mitchell)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 12:05:06 +0000
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Funding and Locations
Message-ID: <1385121906.4176.16.camel@justin.llw.rokcorp.com>

First off, for those that weren't at the last meeting, we are now
officially incorporated as a company limited by guarantee, company
number 08777436.

This will allow us to obtain a bank account, and to start applying for
grants and other types of funding, which is what i wanted to talk to you
all about.

At the moment we have a couple of locations around the city available
for us to use for meetings, generously offered to us for free by their
respective owners.

However we are still limited by these spaces in what we can do, many
types of project, and building a collection of communal equipment are
not practical until we have our own full-time space.

Gerrit has done a wonderful job of engaging with a local housing
association and some other similar groups, but so far this has not
uncovered any suitable spaces at a price we could reasonably afford at
this stage.

An alternative way to bootstrap ourselves would be through some kind of
funding or grant which would temporarily allow us to rent a place whilst
we build enough membership to sustain it.

So, i appeal to you all, to share with us any ideas you may have for
potential sources of funding, suitable cheap or subsidised properties,
or even just suggestions of contacts in appropriate authorities.



From welshbyte at sucs.org  Fri Nov 22 12:28:15 2013
From: welshbyte at sucs.org (Andrew Price)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 12:28:15 +0000
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Funding and Locations
In-Reply-To: <1385121906.4176.16.camel@justin.llw.rokcorp.com>
References: <1385121906.4176.16.camel@justin.llw.rokcorp.com>
Message-ID: <528F4DDF.4000200@sucs.org>

On 22/11/13 12:05, Justin Mitchell wrote:
> An alternative way to bootstrap ourselves would be through some kind of
> funding or grant which would temporarily allow us to rent a place whilst
> we build enough membership to sustain it.
>
> So, i appeal to you all, to share with us any ideas you may have for
> potential sources of funding, suitable cheap or subsidised properties,
> or even just suggestions of contacts in appropriate authorities.

Uplands Market is a not-for-profit and they were helped out by the orgs 
listed on http://www.uplandsmarket.com/about.html

Some possibilities there.

Andy


From paul at harwood-leon.com  Fri Nov 22 15:52:03 2013
From: paul at harwood-leon.com (Paul Harwood)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:52:03 +0000
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Funding and Locations
In-Reply-To: <1385121906.4176.16.camel@justin.llw.rokcorp.com>
References: <1385121906.4176.16.camel@justin.llw.rokcorp.com>
Message-ID: <C8CB8218-9C43-4AE1-A226-D8C72B7A79CE@harwood-leon.com>

Hi Justin, All.

As I mentioned, we are now occupying the space in wind street where we are looking for interesting things to run there (events etc).

We have a 60 person event space that can be used for meetings etc with fold away tables and chairs a projector/screen and possibly some secure space where stuff can be left.

But because of fire regulations we probably wont be able to host things like laser cutters and drill machinery, not without the investment to make them safe.

But we are very open to the hackspace meetings and hack events being based here until a suitable space can be found, perhaps we can even help in some way with our contacts that have helped us raise the necessary funds to make our space happen.

I think BT may be a good sponsor for you as they have a community agenda. I have a senior contact there that you/we can approach when the time is right (maybe early next year?).

Cheers

-- Paul



If you can be relatively specific about the activities you want to run 

On 22 Nov 2013, at 12:05, Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk> wrote:

> First off, for those that weren't at the last meeting, we are now
> officially incorporated as a company limited by guarantee, company
> number 08777436.
> 
> This will allow us to obtain a bank account, and to start applying for
> grants and other types of funding, which is what i wanted to talk to you
> all about.
> 
> At the moment we have a couple of locations around the city available
> for us to use for meetings, generously offered to us for free by their
> respective owners.
> 
> However we are still limited by these spaces in what we can do, many
> types of project, and building a collection of communal equipment are
> not practical until we have our own full-time space.
> 
> Gerrit has done a wonderful job of engaging with a local housing
> association and some other similar groups, but so far this has not
> uncovered any suitable spaces at a price we could reasonably afford at
> this stage.
> 
> An alternative way to bootstrap ourselves would be through some kind of
> funding or grant which would temporarily allow us to rent a place whilst
> we build enough membership to sustain it.
> 
> So, i appeal to you all, to share with us any ideas you may have for
> potential sources of funding, suitable cheap or subsidised properties,
> or even just suggestions of contacts in appropriate authorities.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Hackspace mailing list
> Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace



From roger at brecon.co.uk  Mon Nov 25 09:43:25 2013
From: roger at brecon.co.uk (roger)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 09:43:25 +0000
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Locating a home for Hackspace
Message-ID: <52931BBD.4040700@brecon.co.uk>

Hi there
I was having a think about the housing issue for hackspace and I 
contacted scvs.org.uk swansea council for voluntry services.
They have a news letter that goes out once a month. They are about to 
send one out at the end of the month.
If you email gail hanlen  with a list of requirements. Size of room, 
requirement, electric points etc they could then include it in their 
newsletter to all voluntry groups in swansea to see if they had 
something that was suitable.
I have gail hanlens email address if you want to follow it up.
Roger





From justin at discordia.org.uk  Tue Nov 26 11:56:10 2013
From: justin at discordia.org.uk (Justin Mitchell)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 11:56:10 +0000
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] [Announce] Technical Meeting - Mon 2nd Dec 2013
Message-ID: <1385466970.23594.3.camel@justin.llw.rokcorp.com>

Technical Meeting - Micro-Controllers Workshop #2
7pm Monday 2nd December 2013
Volcano Theatre, 229 High Street, Swansea.

A hands on workshop teaching the basics of using small, cheap computing
devices to build circuits that can automate and interact with the
physical world. This session will be covering the Getting Started
(buttons and lights) and Communications (serial ports) tutorials.

Participants will need to bring their Starter Kit and a suitable laptop,
it would be advisable to download and install the software in advance
(links on the website). I have a few loan kits for anyone that doesn't
already have a Starter Kit.

Bonus Activity: To help demonstrate that this isn't just an electronics
club, and that we want to embrace all of the creative maker community,
we shall also be running an informal intro to Crochet for those that
want have a go



From timmoore47 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 28 18:05:50 2013
From: timmoore47 at gmail.com (Tim Moore)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 18:05:50 +0000
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Hackspace Digest, Vol 11, Issue 7
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1385467201.25755.hackspace@swansea.hackspace.org.uk>
References: <mailman.1.1385467201.25755.hackspace@swansea.hackspace.org.uk>
Message-ID: <CAAEY5oM0DSEKV=XwWbck_uPm9BbYrAEWF1s-MESJu3kmrrW6BA@mail.gmail.com>

Apart from saying I'll be along to the meeting Monday.  Someone I know is
in need of a second hand lap top.

I lent my spare ThinkPad but its only got a 40GB hard drive and is ten
years old.

If anyone has got an unused but working laptop and cares to bring it along
to the meeting, I would appreciate a chance of obtaining it.

Hope that makes sense.

:  )))

Tim_1


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> Technical Meeting - Micro-Controllers Workshop #2
> 7pm Monday 2nd December 2013
> Volcano Theatre, 229 High Street, Swansea.
>
> A hands on workshop teaching the basics of using small, cheap computing
> devices to build circuits that can automate and interact with the
> physical world. This session will be covering the Getting Started
> (buttons and lights) and Communications (serial ports) tutorials.
>
> Participants will need to bring their Starter Kit and a suitable laptop,
> it would be advisable to download and install the software in advance
> (links on the website). I have a few loan kits for anyone that doesn't
> already have a Starter Kit.
>
> Bonus Activity: To help demonstrate that this isn't just an electronics
> club, and that we want to embrace all of the creative maker community,
> we shall also be running an informal intro to Crochet for those that
> want have a go
>
>
>
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From roger at brecon.co.uk  Sat Nov 30 01:31:12 2013
From: roger at brecon.co.uk (roger)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 01:31:12 +0000
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] old laptops
Message-ID: <52993FE0.7020906@brecon.co.uk>

Hi all
Cheap laptops,
I will see whats in the cupboard as I used to go to the recycle site and 
get laptops and printers that people had dumped.

I would take the printers aparts for the stepper motors small parts etc.

You can often get a complate undamaged laptop,  with an xp or win7 
licence plate for the price of a couple of beers.
Reformat and install windows or your favourite flavour of linux.

I thought of starting a little busines but find I am busy enough with 
web developement and writing php applications.
Surprised there isn't someone doing this in Swansea.

roger