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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/03/2013 14:48, Tim Clark wrote:<br>
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      I was thinking about it, however having talked to various people
      who were interested all of them are not going due to its location,
      so postponing till we can find a better location might be a
      sensible idea. If only 2 or 3 people are able to make it i suspect
      there isn't much point. Who else is defiantly able to go?<br>
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      Tim<br>
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    Although I made a fuss about the location, and by the sounds of it
    others agreed with me. I can get to the meeting and do intend to go
    there.<br>
    In fact I just came back to my computer to check my email and post a
    message asking if we were still agreed on meeting tonight.<br>
    <br>
    Can I just make one point here, which is more for the future Our
    purpose in meeting isn't to go for a social outing it is to discuss
    setting up the Hackspace. Therefore we don't actually need to meet
    in a pub. If we did delay tonight it might still be to late to
    arrange things. but we could find one of the regular meeting rooms
    like the Friends Meeting House. Yes there is a charge to use such
    places but if we all chipped in I am sure that it would be less than
    the amount  that we pay for drinks anyway.<br>
    <br>
    Can we please have a quick decision on what is happening tonight so
    that we know what it is that we are doing?<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    Neil<br>
    <br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/03/2013 14:24, Gerrit Niezen
        wrote:<br>
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        cite="mid:98BC66FA-C19E-4452-B4B9-60296FDE48B5@gmail.com"
        type="cite"> <base href="x-msg://3193/">Is anyone still
        planning on meeting up tonight at the Halfway Inn? Or shall we
        rather postpone the first meetup until we can find a more
        suitable location?
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            <div>On 8 Mar 2013, at 18:53, J C <<a
                moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jc2k_1@hotmail.com">jc2k_1@hotmail.com</a>>

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                <div dir="ltr">Nope, Monday is their quiz night<br>
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                    <hr id="stopSpelling">From: <a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:jc2k_1@hotmail.com">jc2k_1@hotmail.com</a><br>
                    To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:hackspace@swansea.hackspace.org.uk">hackspace@swansea.hackspace.org.uk</a><br>
                    Subject: RE: [Swansea Hackspace] Hackspace first
                    meet 11March<br>
                    Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 17:15:20 +0000<br>
                    <br>
                    <div dir="ltr">I haven't tried them no, I'll swing
                      by tomorrow after work, unless anyone lives near
                      by? :)<br>
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                        <hr id="ecxstopSpelling">From: <a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:dancraggs@gmail.com">dancraggs@gmail.com</a><br>
                        Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 15:19:05 +0000<br>
                        Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Hackspace first
                        meet 11March<br>
                        To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:hackspace@swansea.hackspace.org.uk">hackspace@swansea.hackspace.org.uk</a><br>
                        <br>
                        Did anyone try asking the Rhyddings pub in
                        Brynmill? They usually seem fine with little
                        gatherings. No Wi-Fi that I know of, but we can
                        tether I'm sure.<br>
                        <br>
                        Dan<br>
                        <br>
                        <div class="ecxgmail_quote">On 7 March 2013
                          15:11, J C<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span
                            dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:jc2k_1@hotmail.com"
                              target="_blank">jc2k_1@hotmail.com</a>></span><span
                            class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br>
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                              <div dir="ltr">No I certainly don't want
                                to exclude anyone, it was only a
                                suggestion and I'd be more than happy to
                                go elsewhere if there's a better fit for
                                people's transport needs.
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                                <div>I did ask at a few places but
                                  others were either closed on Monday or
                                  already had events on (and I don't
                                  know that many pubs in town centre)</div>
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                                <div>It's just an informal meet &
                                  greet anyway, there's nothing stopping
                                  us having several all over town to
                                  give everyone a chance to meet up and
                                  get to know each other before we do
                                  any real planning, I don't see that it
                                  would spell disaster if we can't all
                                  make the first one....it's hard to
                                  pick a universally convenient spot
                                  without knowing where everyone lives.</div>
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                                    <hr>From:<span
                                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:gerrit.niezen@gmail.com"
                                      target="_blank">gerrit.niezen@gmail.com</a><br>
                                    Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace]
                                    Hackspace first meet 11March<br>
                                    Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 09:27:06 +0000<br>
                                    To:<span
                                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:hackspace@swansea.hackspace.org.uk"
                                      target="_blank">hackspace@swansea.hackspace.org.uk</a>
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                                        I wouldn't be happy if anyone
                                        felt excluded from the meeting
                                        just because of the location. It
                                        was just the first suggestion
                                        that was made - if anybody has a
                                        better alternative, let's hear
                                        it! :) 
                                        <div><br>
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                                            <div>On 6 Mar 2013, at
                                              23:59, Neil Jones <<a
                                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                href="mailto:neil@nwjones.demon.co.uk"
                                                target="_blank">neil@nwjones.demon.co.uk</a>>

                                              wrote:</div>
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                                                <div>On 06/03/2013
                                                  20:24, Alan Cox wrote:<br>
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                                                  <pre>On Wed, 6 Mar 2013 19:53:13 +0000
Dan Craggs <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:dancraggs@gmail.com" target="_blank"><dancraggs@gmail.com></a> wrote:

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                                                    <pre>Anyone happen to know what bus will go past there then?
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                                                  <pre>Assuming you actually mean the one in Tallwyn then its about 20 minutes
from the Kingsway on the #30 according to the bus timetable, not that
I've ever done that trip (nor will I be doing it this time).

I think a Swansea hackspace probably ought to meet in Swansea 8)

Alan
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                                                I must protest strongly
                                                at the SILLY decision to
                                                hold the meeting at
                                                such  a crazily
                                                inaccessible location.<br>
                                                It isn't in Swansea
                                                proper but as the name
                                                says HALF WAY to NEATH.<br>
                                                <br>
                                                Now we find that Alan
                                                Cox who is a world
                                                famous figure in the
                                                Open Source movement 
                                                and who would be an
                                                asset to<br>
                                                the group cannot attend!<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                  href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Cox"
                                                  target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Cox</a><br>
                                                I quote "He was once
                                                commonly regarded as
                                                being the "second in
                                                command" after<a
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus_Torvalds" title="Linus
                                                  Torvalds"
                                                  target="_blank">Linus
                                                  Torvalds</a><span
                                                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>himself"<br>
                                                <br>
                                                This means, to put it
                                                clearly, that the modern
                                                internet as it exists
                                                today, google etc. Is
                                                crucially reliant on his
                                                work over the years in
                                                order to function.<br>
                                                <br>
                                                I myself am doubtful
                                                about it because of the
                                                poor access. WE MUST
                                                organise this to work
                                                around central Swansea
                                                locations.<br>
                                                My concern is if you
                                                start biasing it away
                                                from people without
                                                transport then we might
                                                find that the Hackspace
                                                itself is placed at an
                                                inaccessible location<br>
                                                and that it will fail as
                                                a result.<br>
                                                <br>
                                                Please please can we not
                                                assume that everyone has
                                                car transport and
                                                arrange things near
                                                motorways so that those
                                                with cars and not
                                                inconvenienced for a few
                                                minutes extra driving
                                                and those without cars
                                                have to spend an hour
                                                more travelling because
                                                of the vagaries of the
                                                transport system or are
                                                put off because they<br>
                                                don't want to be
                                                travelling back on late
                                                buses full of drunks.<br>
                                                <br>
                                                I myself live in Neath
                                                and the last train is at
                                                around 10:30<br>
                                                <br>
                                                Neil<br>
                                                <br>
                                                <br>
                                                <br>
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                        D a n  C r a g g s<br>
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                        e:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:dancraggs@gmail.com"
                          target="_blank">dancraggs@gmail.com</a><br>
                        e:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:dan@gfsoft.co.uk" target="_blank">dan@gfsoft.co.uk</a><br>
                        w:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="http://danc.me.uk" target="_blank">http://danc.me.uk</a><br>
                        w:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="http://www.plandmusic.co.uk"
                          target="_blank">http://www.plandmusic.co.uk</a><br>
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