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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 23/03/2013 20:45, Tom Lloyd wrote:<br>
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      Haha, what did I say?  Cwmbwrla!  I don't know anything about it
      beyond where it is; is it still occupied?<br>
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      I guess we need to consider security too.  Wherever we choose, if
      we keep tools there it could become a target for thieves.  Do
      other hackspaces have problems with this?<br>
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      -- Tom<br>
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    Hang on! You can't just rent premises used for one thing at the
    moment and turn it into a hackspace.<br>
    You may need planning permission for the change of use
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/permission/commonprojects/changeofuse/">http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/permission/commonprojects/changeofuse/</a><br>
    When there are planning applications neighbours are consulted. This
    is why we should have a closed list that is not internet searchable.<br>
    Since we are not going to create any more noise and disturbance than
    a normal person quietly living at home, I can't see a problem<br>
    I am not the planning officer who decides on these matters though.
    It is quite likely that an ideal place would need change of use
    permission.<br>
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    The moment anyone posts a message about a particular place we are
    open to misguided planning objections which could jeopardise the
    project.<br>
    We are going to find ourselves discussing legal matters, in effect.
    It is not wise to do so in public!<br>
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    Neil<br>
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      <div class="gmail_quote">On 23 March 2013 20:39, ceri clatworthy <span
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          <p>I have been told about Swansea friends of the disabled, <br>
            Just Swansea side of camathen road,<br>
            Next door to carpet shop,<br>
            And it is main bus route as well.<br>
            Pub, three sisters across road,</p>
          <p>Cheers<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
                Ceri</font></span></p>
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              <div class="gmail_quote">On Mar 23, 2013 8:35 PM, "Tom
                Lloyd" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                  I suspect that any potential retail space would charge
                  a premium.  We want somewhere just out of town, nearby
                  but off the beaten track - perhaps a former garage or
                  small factory or studio?  Cwmdu/Cwmbwrla might be a
                  good area to start looking.<br>
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                  Obviously if we can convince either university to make
                  room for us at reduced cost then that would be ideal. 
                  Is anybody in a good position to make enquiries at the
                  Met?<br>
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                  -- Tom<br>
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                  <div class="gmail_quote">On 23 March 2013 20:24,
                    Justin Mitchell <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                      <div>On Sat, 2013-03-23 at 18:08 +0000, Neil Jones
                        wrote:<br>
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                        > There is a possible item of "where roughly
                        should we be aiming to have<br>
                        > the hackspace."<br>
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                      My thoughts and discussions on this subject so far
                      are that it needs to<br>
                      be somewhere fairly central, in the SA2 or SA1
                      region.<br>
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                      The majority of industrial unit type spaces seem
                      to be a fair way out of<br>
                      town, llansamlet area or further, now whilst they
                      are nice big spaces<br>
                      with good parking they pretty much suck for public
                      transport access,<br>
                      especially out of business hours.<br>
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                      I think that if we are to attract the widest range
                      of members then that<br>
                      is highly likely to include those to which
                      transport is an issue.<br>
                      <br>
                      >From searching the council provided listings
                      (as someone already listed<br>
                      on here) there are a number of shop units and
                      small office spaces around<br>
                      the town, in areas like sandfields, brynmill,
                      walter road type areas<br>
                      which are relatively cheap and close to busy bus
                      routes and other<br>
                      amenities.<br>
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                      As for funding, well that's going to depend
                      heavily on how many people<br>
                      are likely to be able to commit to paying a
                      membership, and how much it<br>
                      costs to rent a suitably sized space.<br>
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                      I believe that a contingent in the university that
                      are on this list have<br>
                      investigated if there is any space available
                      there, which may well have<br>
                      come cheaply, but i don't think there was any
                      success so far ?<br>
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                      Re: tools etc, i had hoped to get a feeling for
                      this with my initial<br>
                      statement of what people expected from a
                      hackspace, i didnt get many<br>
                      responses, perhaps those that havent yet done so
                      could take a moment to<br>
                      share with us their expectations or aspirations.<br>
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