<div dir="ltr"><div><div>Rather than people suggesting things and other people poo-pooing them, why don't we try all the suggestions and see what works? It's not like we're short of either servers or people to maintain them. It doesn't even matter for now if our stuff is spread across multiple servers - we find out which methods of communicating work for us, and then we can gather them up into a central place later.<br>
<br></div>As long as we keep important stuff on this list, I see no harm in a bit of experimentation :)<br><br></div>-- Tom<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 24 April 2013 20:48, Paul Harwood <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:paul@harwood-leon.com" target="_blank">paul@harwood-leon.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div>How about a wiki? </div><div><div><br></div><div>Sorry to knock the forum idea, but I think it is a really poor way of structuring information, especially complex technical information that is probably subject to change.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I will happily set one up on <a href="http://www.swanseahackspace.org/" target="_blank">www.SwanseaHackspace.org</a> and host it temporarily for free (until it finds an independent home).</div><div><br>
</div><div>-- Paul</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On 24 Apr 2013, at 18:26, Tim Moore <<a href="mailto:timmoore47@gmail.com" target="_blank">timmoore47@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite">
Forums are a great long term repository for technical solutions provided there is a good 'search' facility. (mail lists are not IMHO ) <br><br>A good Forum is of equal benefit as a 'HackSpace' facility to make stuff for those who can easily get to Swansea.<br>
<br>I think that is a bit of a no-brainer, so if anyone is more skilled than I, to pop a Forum on <a href="http://www.swanseahackspace.org/" target="_blank">www.SwanseaHackspace.org</a>, I'd be pleased to fund the www site costs.<br>
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(Is that title ok ?)<br><br>: )))<br><br>Tim_1<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 24 April 2013 16:45, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hackspace-request@swansea.hackspace.org.uk" target="_blank">hackspace-request@swansea.hackspace.org.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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1. Community building (Andrew Price)<br>
2. Re: Community building (Justin Mitchell)<br>
3. Re: Community building (Tom Lloyd)<br>
4. Re: Community building (Paul Harwood)<br>
5. Re: Community building (Tom Lloyd)<br>
6. Re: Community building (Justin Mitchell)<br>
7. Re: Community building (Andrew Price)<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 12:30:00 +0100<br>
From: Andrew Price <<a href="mailto:andy@andrewprice.me.uk" target="_blank">andy@andrewprice.me.uk</a>><br>
Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Community building<br>
To: <a href="mailto:hackspace@swansea.hackspace.org.uk" target="_blank">hackspace@swansea.hackspace.org.uk</a><br>
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On 24/04/13 10:50, Paul Harwood wrote:<br>
> Starting a successful community is very hard.<br>
<br>
Absolutely. I'm already noticing that we're not a very diverse bunch so<br>
we really should put some early effort into making the environment as<br>
comfortable and welcoming as possible to anyone who might want to get<br>
involved.<br>
<br>
How do we feel about drawing up a general code-of-conduct kind of<br>
policy? It doesn't have to be long and detailed, just something that<br>
generally states that we're an inclusive community which doesn't<br>
tolerate discrimination, abuse or harassment.<br>
<br>
Andy<br>
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Message: 2<br>
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 12:39:33 +0100<br>
From: Justin Mitchell <<a href="mailto:justin@discordia.org.uk" target="_blank">justin@discordia.org.uk</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Community building<br>
To: <a href="mailto:hackspace@swansea.hackspace.org.uk" target="_blank">hackspace@swansea.hackspace.org.uk</a><br>
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On Wed, 2013-04-24 at 12:21 +0100, Tim Moore wrote:<br>
> Does any member have the knowledge to pop up a Forum type www site<br>
> like this :-<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/index.php?sid=965c39f37fada4d4899c7c6d13e24f55" target="_blank">http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/index.php?sid=965c39f37fada4d4899c7c6d13e24f55</a><br>
><br>
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I can easily set up a copy of phpBB or similar,<br>
it's more do we really want to,<br>
<br>
as briefly discussed in the first meeting, web forums are a pull<br>
technology, you have to actively remember to go and check them for<br>
updates, where as mailing lists are push, updates come to you.<br>
<br>
I can setup any number of mailing lists easily, its all running on my<br>
own hosted server anyway.<br>
<br>
hardest part is naming it, community@... or discuss@... ?<br>
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Message: 3<br>
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 13:12:17 +0100<br>
From: Tom Lloyd <<a href="mailto:napalmllama@gmail.com" target="_blank">napalmllama@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Community building<br>
To: Andrew Price <<a href="mailto:andy@andrewprice.me.uk" target="_blank">andy@andrewprice.me.uk</a>><br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:hackspace@swansea.hackspace.org.uk" target="_blank">hackspace@swansea.hackspace.org.uk</a><br>
Message-ID:<br>
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How about keeping hackspace@ for admin related stuff, and setting up either<br>
a new list or a forum for general discussion? I think a list would be<br>
better, at least until we have more people. We could call it general@ or<br>
talk@.<br></div><div class="im">
A technical list might be a good idea too, for help with those matters.<br>
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-- Tom<br>
On Apr 24, 2013 12:30 PM, "Andrew Price" <<a href="mailto:andy@andrewprice.me.uk" target="_blank">andy@andrewprice.me.uk</a>> wrote:<br>
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> On 24/04/13 10:50, Paul Harwood wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Starting a successful community is very hard.<br>
>><br>
><br>
> Absolutely. I'm already noticing that we're not a very diverse bunch so we<br>
> really should put some early effort into making the environment as<br>
> comfortable and welcoming as possible to anyone who might want to get<br>
> involved.<br>
><br>
> How do we feel about drawing up a general code-of-conduct kind of policy?<br>
> It doesn't have to be long and detailed, just something that generally<br>
> states that we're an inclusive community which doesn't tolerate<br>
> discrimination, abuse or harassment.<br>
><br>
> Andy<br>
><br></div>
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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 13:56:53 +0100<br>
From: Paul Harwood <<a href="mailto:paul@harwood-leon.com" target="_blank">paul@harwood-leon.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Community building<br>
To: Tom Lloyd <<a href="mailto:napalmllama@gmail.com" target="_blank">napalmllama@gmail.com</a>><br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:hackspace@swansea.hackspace.org.uk" target="_blank">hackspace@swansea.hackspace.org.uk</a><br>
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All I can say it that on the Bristol Hackspace list (which I have been following for a few months) there is no real distinction and the threads are all lumped into the main Hackspace list as far as I can tell (admin, chat, access issues). They seem to have a thriving list. I could be wrong there, but that is my impression.<br>
<br>
In the inclusive nature of these things - I would also argue that administrative issues are everyones business, as their implications may affect everyone.<br>
<br>
Issues of a private nature are best sent directly to individuals, such as the one I am about to send to Justin about a possible space (with plans that cannot go onto a public archive). Further details can be then filtered down to the list for everyone to see at the individuals discretion.<br>
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@talk is not a bad idea, but it would create a bit of a dilemma for topics that cross the divide - such as chatting about venues for meetings.<br>
<br>
Perhaps a simpler solution would be to mark administrative items with "ADMIN - thread name" or things that are blatantly off topic can be market with "OT - Thread name". Then people can set up their email filters accordingly (i.e. if they only want to get admin messages). As a convention, not a rule though.<br>
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As for a code-of-conduct - absolutely.<br>
<br>
Forums - nope, bad idea.<br>
<br>
:)<br>
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Paul<br>
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On 24 Apr 2013, at 13:12, Tom Lloyd <<a href="mailto:napalmllama@gmail.com" target="_blank">napalmllama@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> A technical list might be a good idea too, for help with those matters.<br>
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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 14:57:52 +0100<br>
From: Tom Lloyd <<a href="mailto:napalmllama@gmail.com" target="_blank">napalmllama@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Community building<br>
To: Paul Harwood <<a href="mailto:paul@harwood-leon.com" target="_blank">paul@harwood-leon.com</a>><br>
Cc: "<a href="mailto:hackspace@swansea.hackspace.org.uk" target="_blank">hackspace@swansea.hackspace.org.uk</a>"<br>
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All lists would be open - I meant to have separate lists purely so admin<br>
and organisational business doesn't get lost amongst general chit chat.<br>
Subject line prefixes could do this job too, although I lean more toward<br>
separate lists, as the functionality is already there in Mailman and it<br>
keeps things nicely sorted. Justin's the one who actually has to do it, so<br>
up to him :)<br>
<br></div><div><div class="h5">
Re. guidelines, good idea - but let's avoid hard rules where possible.<br>
Where there are rules there are rules-nazis, and nobody likes them.<br>
<br>
-- Tom<br>
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On 24 April 2013 13:56, Paul Harwood <<a href="mailto:paul@harwood-leon.com" target="_blank">paul@harwood-leon.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> All I can say it that on the Bristol Hackspace list (which I have been<br>
> following for a few months) there is no real distinction and the threads<br>
> are all lumped into the main Hackspace list as far as I can tell (admin,<br>
> chat, access issues). They seem to have a thriving list. I could be wrong<br>
> there, but that is my impression.<br>
><br>
> In the inclusive nature of these things - I would also argue that<br>
> administrative issues are everyones business, as their implications may<br>
> affect everyone.<br>
><br>
> Issues of a private nature are best sent directly to individuals, such as<br>
> the one I am about to send to Justin about a possible space (with plans<br>
> that cannot go onto a public archive). Further details can be then filtered<br>
> down to the list for everyone to see at the individuals discretion.<br>
><br>
> @talk is not a bad idea, but it would create a bit of a dilemma for topics<br>
> that cross the divide - such as chatting about venues for meetings.<br>
><br>
> Perhaps a simpler solution would be to mark administrative items with<br>
> "ADMIN - thread name" or things that are blatantly off topic can be market<br>
> with "OT - Thread name". Then people can set up their email filters<br>
> accordingly (i.e. if they only want to get admin messages). As a<br>
> convention, not a rule though.<br>
><br>
> As for a code-of-conduct - absolutely.<br>
><br>
> Forums - nope, bad idea.<br>
><br>
> :)<br>
><br>
> Paul<br>
><br>
> On 24 Apr 2013, at 13:12, Tom Lloyd <<a href="mailto:napalmllama@gmail.com" target="_blank">napalmllama@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> A technical list might be a good idea too, for help with those matters.<br>
><br>
><br>
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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 16:33:54 +0100<br>
From: Justin Mitchell <<a href="mailto:justin@discordia.org.uk" target="_blank">justin@discordia.org.uk</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Community building<br>
To: <a href="mailto:hackspace@swansea.hackspace.org.uk" target="_blank">hackspace@swansea.hackspace.org.uk</a><br>
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On Wed, 2013-04-24 at 14:57 +0100, Tom Lloyd wrote:<br>
> All lists would be open - I meant to have separate lists purely so<br>
> admin and organisational business doesn't get lost amongst general<br>
> chit chat. Subject line prefixes could do this job too, although I<br>
> lean more toward separate lists, as the functionality is already there<br>
> in Mailman and it keeps things nicely sorted. Justin's the one who<br>
> actually has to do it, so up to him :)<br>
<br>
Just reading through the docs, mailman has a concept of 'topics' within<br>
one mailing list. once defined you can tag your emails to belong to a<br>
specific topic, and users can select which ones they want / dont want to<br>
receive.<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/node29.html" target="_blank">http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/node29.html</a><br>
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Message: 7<br>
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 16:45:21 +0100<br>
From: Andrew Price <<a href="mailto:andy@andrewprice.me.uk" target="_blank">andy@andrewprice.me.uk</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Community building<br>
To: <a href="mailto:hackspace@swansea.hackspace.org.uk" target="_blank">hackspace@swansea.hackspace.org.uk</a><br>
Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:5177FE11.7030908@andrewprice.me.uk" target="_blank">5177FE11.7030908@andrewprice.me.uk</a>><br>
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On 24/04/13 16:33, Justin Mitchell wrote:<br>
> On Wed, 2013-04-24 at 14:57 +0100, Tom Lloyd wrote:<br>
>> All lists would be open - I meant to have separate lists purely so<br>
>> admin and organisational business doesn't get lost amongst general<br>
>> chit chat. Subject line prefixes could do this job too, although I<br>
>> lean more toward separate lists, as the functionality is already there<br>
>> in Mailman and it keeps things nicely sorted. Justin's the one who<br>
>> actually has to do it, so up to him :)<br>
><br>
> Just reading through the docs, mailman has a concept of 'topics' within<br>
> one mailing list. once defined you can tag your emails to belong to a<br>
> specific topic, and users can select which ones they want / dont want to<br>
> receive.<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/node29.html" target="_blank">http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/node29.html</a><br>
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"but it is the responsibility of each poster to make sure that their<br>
post is put with the correct topic"<br>
<br>
Um, yeah, that's not going to work well. Separate lists would be fine.<br>
<br>
Andy<br>
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