<div dir="ltr"><div>Yes, it's a technical meeting this time. I think the plan is to use Dr. Tim's lab again if he can wangle it.<br><br></div>Tom Lloyd<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On 6 September 2013 13:34, Tim Moore <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:timmoore47@gmail.com" target="_blank">timmoore47@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><div>Also is there a Hackspace meeting this coming Monday ? Its a fortnight since the last one !<br><br>: )))<br><br></div>Tim_1<br></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 6 September 2013 13:32, Tim Moore <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:timmoore47@gmail.com" target="_blank">timmoore47@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I drive over 20 miles from Llandyfan near Trap/Llandeilo.<br>
<br>
Yes, it counts as bringing money into Swansea as I would very rarely<br>
enter Swansea otherwise.<br>
<br>
: )))<br>
<br>
Tim<br>
<br>
On 06/09/2013, <a href="mailto:hackspace-request@swansea.hackspace.org.uk" target="_blank">hackspace-request@swansea.hackspace.org.uk</a><br>
<div><div><<a href="mailto:hackspace-request@swansea.hackspace.org.uk" target="_blank">hackspace-request@swansea.hackspace.org.uk</a>> wrote:<br>
> Send Hackspace mailing list submissions to<br>
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><br>
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> Today's Topics:<br>
><br>
> 1. Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 9, Issue 2 (Graham Owens)<br>
><br>
><br>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
><br>
> Message: 1<br>
> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 12:00:43 +0100<br>
> From: Graham Owens <<a href="mailto:grahamowensuk@googlemail.com" target="_blank">grahamowensuk@googlemail.com</a>><br>
> Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 9, Issue 2<br>
> To: "<a href="mailto:hackspace@swansea.hackspace.org.uk" target="_blank">hackspace@swansea.hackspace.org.uk</a>"<br>
> <<a href="mailto:hackspace@swansea.hackspace.org.uk" target="_blank">hackspace@swansea.hackspace.org.uk</a>><br>
> Message-ID:<br>
> <<a href="mailto:CAJqsN4QMSUaWdDdCfORF-y7UhNjjVTH6svCg4h%2BmKwxgNAYe7Q@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank">CAJqsN4QMSUaWdDdCfORF-y7UhNjjVTH6svCg4h+mKwxgNAYe7Q@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"<br>
><br>
> In this paragraph:<br>
><br>
> In Swansea a hacker space has been meeting about fortnightly, and<br>
> hopes to obtain a permanent base and its own equipment. At this stage,<br>
> without its own facilities, it is difficult to gauge how many people<br>
> might eventually become involved.<br>
><br>
> I would suggest that that we reword the first sentence to Swansea Hackspace<br>
> has been meeting....<br>
><br>
> The reason being that its not just a group has been meeting up - it is the<br>
> group that the letter is about that meets up fortnightly.<br>
><br>
> Also, dont know if it would make much of a difference, but you could<br>
> include a note that as the only Hackspace in the area, that some members<br>
> travel from other areas to get to the meetings. I do not know where others<br>
> are located, but I drive about 12miles to make it to the meetings. Does<br>
> that count as bringing money into swansea??? lol<br>
><br>
> Best Regards<br>
><br>
> Graham<br>
><br>
><br>
> On 6 September 2013 10:50,<br>
> <<a href="mailto:hackspace-request@swansea.hackspace.org.uk" target="_blank">hackspace-request@swansea.hackspace.org.uk</a>>wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Send Hackspace mailing list submissions to<br>
>> <a href="mailto:hackspace@swansea.hackspace.org.uk" target="_blank">hackspace@swansea.hackspace.org.uk</a><br>
>><br>
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>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br>
>> <a href="mailto:hackspace-request@swansea.hackspace.org.uk" target="_blank">hackspace-request@swansea.hackspace.org.uk</a><br>
>><br>
>> You can reach the person managing the list at<br>
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>><br>
>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>
>> than "Re: Contents of Hackspace digest..."<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Today's Topics:<br>
>><br>
>> 1. University recognition - revised version - reply soon or<br>
>> never (Edwin Beggs)<br>
>> 2. Re: University recognition - revised version - reply soon or<br>
>> never (Gerrit Niezen)<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
>><br>
>> Message: 1<br>
>> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 09:50:15 +0100<br>
>> From: Edwin Beggs <<a href="mailto:E.J.Beggs@swansea.ac.uk" target="_blank">E.J.Beggs@swansea.ac.uk</a>><br>
>> Subject: [Swansea Hackspace] University recognition - revised version<br>
>> - reply soon or never<br>
>> To: <a href="mailto:hackspace@swansea.hackspace.org.uk" target="_blank">hackspace@swansea.hackspace.org.uk</a><br>
>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:16AB942D-782D-4B48-A164-2B711297D7EC@swansea.ac.uk" target="_blank">16AB942D-782D-4B48-A164-2B711297D7EC@swansea.ac.uk</a>><br>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Note to this revised version. I have added a sentence about the<br>
>> different subjects encompassed by the hackerspace. About the history<br>
>> of the computer club, I do not know enough to write this. If people<br>
>> propose a couple of sentences, I will add them. Any other edits,<br>
>> please send urgently.<br>
>><br>
>> Other than that, I propose to send this version. The hackerspace<br>
>> will have an opportunity to look at any response given by the<br>
>> university before deciding anything. If you do NOT want this sent for<br>
>> whatever reason, you have to tell me SOON. As they say in Rome, "Qui<br>
>> tacet consentit" (silence implies consent).<br>
>><br>
>> Edwin<br>
>><br>
>> ********************************<br>
>><br>
>> Hi! I am considering trying to get the hackerspace officially<br>
>> recognised by the University (or at least the College of Science) as<br>
>> part of its third mission. I am not sure what this will mean<br>
>> practically, but it will hopefully make dealing with the university<br>
>> easier! The third mission is about the local economy, and that is what<br>
>> I have tried to address here. If this works, maybe we should try to do<br>
>> something with Swansea Council.<br>
>><br>
>> I enclose a possible letter to the Chair of the College of Science<br>
>> Third Mission committee - not sent yet. Comments would be good -<br>
>> either edits or other things. Is this a good idea in the first place?<br>
>> I think so, but you may think of possible problems...<br>
>><br>
>> Edwin<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> **************************************<br>
>><br>
>> Hacker spaces are a diverse collection of societies now present in<br>
>> many cities worldwide (for a world list, see<br>
>> <a href="http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/List_of_Hacker_Spaces" target="_blank">http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/List_of_Hacker_Spaces</a><br>
>> ) which are for (to quote from the Nottingham hacker space at<br>
>> <a href="http://nottinghack.org.uk/" target="_blank">http://nottinghack.org.uk/</a><br>
>> ):<br>
>><br>
>> "Who is it for? If you like to build, make & learn it’s for you.<br>
>> You’ll probably be interested in learning about and sharing knowledge<br>
>> of electronics, crafts, robotics, DIY, hardware hacking, photography,<br>
>> computing, reverse engineering, prototyping, film making, animation,<br>
>> building RC vehicles and other creative challenges and projects."<br>
>><br>
>> They are a collection of individuals, collaborating together by<br>
>> pooling resources and expertise. For many members, it is about their<br>
>> hobbies. It encompasses science, engineering, maths and the arts.<br>
>> However a look at the computing industry will show that a number of<br>
>> large firms (eg. Apple and Google) have grown from very small<br>
>> beginnings, and have been set up by a few people collaborating<br>
>> together. Collaborations such as hacker space offer the opportunity<br>
>> for people to problem solve for industry or to set up their own<br>
>> businesses after prototyping new products. With its traditional<br>
>> reliance on industry, this is doubly important for South Wales, and<br>
>> for this purpose it would fall under the remit of the University's<br>
>> third mission.<br>
>><br>
>> To illustrate the increasing emphasis on grassroots or bottom up<br>
>> collaborations for innovation even at the highest levels, we quote<br>
>> Chris Vein (US deputy Chief Technical Officer for government<br>
>> innovation) on hackathons, intensive collaborations. Hackathons could<br>
>> be held by any organisation, but hacker spaces are natural places<br>
>> where such activities would fit.<br>
>><br>
>> Chris Vein (US deputy CTO for government innovation) has continually<br>
>> supported the use of hackathons in developing government innovation.<br>
>> He noted that these events were exceptional as a ‘sensemaking’ tool<br>
>> for government, encouraging agencies to “…find groups of people, bring<br>
>> them together around an issue or problem that needs to be fixed, then<br>
>> step out of the way and let the collective energy of the people in the<br>
>> room come together and really take that data and solve things in<br>
>> creative and imaginative ways that we would never have done ourselves.”<br>
>> <a href="http://open.nasa.gov/blog/2012/06/29/the-power-of-hackathons-in-government/" target="_blank">http://open.nasa.gov/blog/2012/06/29/the-power-of-hackathons-in-government/</a><br>
>><br>
>> NASA itself has held the world's largest hackathon, in 83 cities in 44<br>
>> countries on all 7 continents - See more at:<br>
>> <a href="http://open.nasa.gov/blog/2013/04/19/worlds-largest-hackathon" target="_blank">http://open.nasa.gov/blog/2013/04/19/worlds-largest-hackathon</a><br>
>> In the UK, an interesting article on crowdsourcing and innovation is:<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://www.theguardian.com/local-government-network/2013/apr/26/councils-hack-day-geek-squad-problem-solving" target="_blank">http://www.theguardian.com/local-government-network/2013/apr/26/councils-hack-day-geek-squad-problem-solving</a><br>
>><br>
>> There is now a hacker space in Cardiff, with its own accommodation:<br>
>> <a href="http://cardiff.hackspace.org.uk/wiki/Main_Page" target="_blank">http://cardiff.hackspace.org.uk/wiki/Main_Page</a><br>
>> For a list of UK hacker spaces,<br>
>> <a href="http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/United_Kingdom" target="_blank">http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/United_Kingdom</a><br>
>> Notable ones are London <a href="http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/London_Hackspace" target="_blank">http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/London_Hackspace</a><br>
>> and Nottingham (listed above)<br>
>><br>
>> In Swansea a hacker space has been meeting about fortnightly, and<br>
>> hopes to obtain a permanent base and its own equipment. At this stage,<br>
>> without its own facilities, it is difficult to gauge how many people<br>
>> might eventually become involved.<br>
>><br>
>> We ask that the University consider ways of supporting Swansea hacker<br>
>> space. Such help might include advice, awareness raising, donation of<br>
>> redundant equipment, etc. Recognition by the University or College of<br>
>> Science would be helpful. The hacker space would itself, in the best<br>
>> traditions of grassroots organisations, remain independent and run by<br>
>> its members.<br>
>><br>
>> ********************<br>
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>> Message: 2<br>
>> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 10:50:57 +0100<br>
>> From: Gerrit Niezen <<a href="mailto:gerrit.niezen@gmail.com" target="_blank">gerrit.niezen@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] University recognition - revised<br>
>> version - reply soon or never<br>
>> To: Edwin Beggs <<a href="mailto:E.J.Beggs@swansea.ac.uk" target="_blank">E.J.Beggs@swansea.ac.uk</a>><br>
>> Cc: <a href="mailto:hackspace@swansea.hackspace.org.uk" target="_blank">hackspace@swansea.hackspace.org.uk</a><br>
>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:5BAB473E-DA2F-4CBA-91C2-C373C227C421@gmail.com" target="_blank">5BAB473E-DA2F-4CBA-91C2-C373C227C421@gmail.com</a>><br>
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>> Hi Edwin,<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks for working on this. A few comments:<br>
>><br>
>> - The most commonly used spelling is "hackerspace", not "hacker space".<br>
>> We<br>
>> could even use the more UK-centric version, "hackspace".<br>
>> - "Collaborations such as hacker space" should probably be<br>
>> "Collaborations<br>
>> such as hackerspaces" ?<br>
>> - You say "we quote Chris Vein" but then only quote him in the next<br>
>> paragraph<br>
>> - We could be more specific about what exactly we want from the<br>
>> university.<br>
>> - It's "Swansea Hackspace", not "Swansea hacker space". Provide a link<br>
>> to<br>
>> our official website <a href="http://swansea.hackspace.org.uk/" target="_blank">http://swansea.hackspace.org.uk/</a><br>
>><br>
>> Cheers,<br>
>> Gerrit<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On 6 Sep 2013, at 09:50, Edwin Beggs <<a href="mailto:E.J.Beggs@swansea.ac.uk" target="_blank">E.J.Beggs@swansea.ac.uk</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > Note to this revised version. I have added a sentence about the<br>
>> different subjects encompassed by the hackerspace. About the history of<br>
>> the<br>
>> computer club, I do not know enough to write this. If people propose a<br>
>> couple of sentences, I will add them. Any other edits, please send<br>
>> urgently.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Other than that, I propose to send this version. The hackerspace will<br>
>> have an opportunity to look at any response given by the university<br>
>> before<br>
>> deciding anything. If you do NOT want this sent for whatever reason, you<br>
>> have to tell me SOON. As they say in Rome, "Qui tacet consentit" (silence<br>
>> implies consent).<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Edwin<br>
>> ><br>
>> > ********************************<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Hi! I am considering trying to get the hackerspace officially<br>
>> recognised by the University (or at least the College of Science) as part<br>
>> of its third mission. I am not sure what this will mean practically, but<br>
>> it<br>
>> will hopefully make dealing with the university easier! The third mission<br>
>> is about the local economy, and that is what I have tried to address<br>
>> here.<br>
>> If this works, maybe we should try to do something with Swansea Council.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > I enclose a possible letter to the Chair of the College of Science<br>
>> Third Mission committee - not sent yet. Comments would be good - either<br>
>> edits or other things. Is this a good idea in the first place? I think<br>
>> so,<br>
>> but you may think of possible problems...<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Edwin<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > **************************************<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Hacker spaces are a diverse collection of societies now present in many<br>
>> cities worldwide (for a world list, see<br>
>> <a href="http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/List_of_Hacker_Spaces" target="_blank">http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/List_of_Hacker_Spaces</a> ) which are for (to<br>
>> quote from the Nottingham hacker space at <a href="http://nottinghack.org.uk/" target="_blank">http://nottinghack.org.uk/</a> ):<br>
>> ><br>
>> > "Who is it for? If you like to build, make & learn it’s for you. You’ll<br>
>> probably be interested in learning about and sharing knowledge of<br>
>> electronics, crafts, robotics, DIY, hardware hacking, photography,<br>
>> computing, reverse engineering, prototyping, film making, animation,<br>
>> building RC vehicles and other creative challenges and projects."<br>
>> ><br>
>> > They are a collection of individuals, collaborating together by pooling<br>
>> resources and expertise. For many members, it is about their hobbies. It<br>
>> encompasses science, engineering, maths and the arts. However a look at<br>
>> the<br>
>> computing industry will show that a number of large firms (eg. Apple and<br>
>> Google) have grown from very small beginnings, and have been set up by a<br>
>> few people collaborating together. Collaborations such as hacker space<br>
>> offer the opportunity for people to problem solve for industry or to set<br>
>> up<br>
>> their own businesses after prototyping new products. With its traditional<br>
>> reliance on industry, this is doubly important for South Wales, and for<br>
>> this purpose it would fall under the remit of the University's third<br>
>> mission.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > To illustrate the increasing emphasis on grassroots or bottom up<br>
>> collaborations for innovation even at the highest levels, we quote Chris<br>
>> Vein (US deputy Chief Technical Officer for government innovation) on<br>
>> hackathons, intensive collaborations. Hackathons could be held by any<br>
>> organisation, but hacker spaces are natural places where such activities<br>
>> would fit.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Chris Vein (US deputy CTO for government innovation) has continually<br>
>> supported the use of hackathons in developing government innovation. He<br>
>> noted that these events were exceptional as a ‘sensemaking’ tool for<br>
>> government, encouraging agencies to “…find groups of people, bring them<br>
>> together around an issue or problem that needs to be fixed, then step out<br>
>> of the way and let the collective energy of the people in the room come<br>
>> together and really take that data and solve things in creative and<br>
>> imaginative ways that we would never have done ourselves.”<br>
>> ><br>
>> <a href="http://open.nasa.gov/blog/2012/06/29/the-power-of-hackathons-in-government/" target="_blank">http://open.nasa.gov/blog/2012/06/29/the-power-of-hackathons-in-government/</a><br>
>> ><br>
>> > NASA itself has held the world's largest hackathon, in 83 cities in 44<br>
>> countries on all 7 continents - See more at:<br>
>> > <a href="http://open.nasa.gov/blog/2013/04/19/worlds-largest-hackathon" target="_blank">http://open.nasa.gov/blog/2013/04/19/worlds-largest-hackathon</a><br>
>> > In the UK, an interesting article on crowdsourcing and innovation is:<br>
>> ><br>
>> <a href="http://www.theguardian.com/local-government-network/2013/apr/26/councils-hack-day-geek-squad-problem-solving" target="_blank">http://www.theguardian.com/local-government-network/2013/apr/26/councils-hack-day-geek-squad-problem-solving</a><br>
>> ><br>
>> > There is now a hacker space in Cardiff, with its own accommodation:<br>
>> <a href="http://cardiff.hackspace.org.uk/wiki/Main_Page" target="_blank">http://cardiff.hackspace.org.uk/wiki/Main_Page</a><br>
>> > For a list of UK hacker spaces,<br>
>> <a href="http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/United_Kingdom" target="_blank">http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/United_Kingdom</a><br>
>> > Notable ones are London <a href="http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/London_Hackspaceand" target="_blank">http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/London_Hackspaceand</a><br>
>> > Nottingham (listed above)<br>
>> ><br>
>> > In Swansea a hacker space has been meeting about fortnightly, and hopes<br>
>> to obtain a permanent base and its own equipment. At this stage, without<br>
>> its own facilities, it is difficult to gauge how many people might<br>
>> eventually become involved.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > We ask that the University consider ways of supporting Swansea hacker<br>
>> space. Such help might include advice, awareness raising, donation of<br>
>> redundant equipment, etc. Recognition by the University or College of<br>
>> Science would be helpful. The hacker space would itself, in the best<br>
>> traditions of grassroots organisations, remain independent and run by its<br>
>> members.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > ********************<br>
>> > _______________________________________________<br>
>> > Hackspace mailing list<br>
>> > <a href="mailto:Hackspace@swansea.hackspace.org.uk" target="_blank">Hackspace@swansea.hackspace.org.uk</a><br>
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