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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 27/11/15 01:14, S Wathan wrote:<br>
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<p dir="ltr">The magazine itself can be download for free from the
website, I downloaded it today. So its just a case for stockist
to get the board back in and not paying the £30 plus people are
paying on ebay</p>
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That is a very sensible way of looking at it Sarah. <br>
<br>
There is always someone with money to waste who will pay these silly
prices. As you say the magazine is available free and has some
really good articles in there.<br>
I like the idea of an electronic conference badge that they suggest.
I could think of a very good use for one of those for a conference I
attend. <br>
It would make a point to the charity organising it about the use of
the internet that I have been suggesting for years and I could write
it on the badge.<br>
My suggestions would work on a Pi Zero too.<br>
All I need now is a small pocket keyboard solution to program it /
change its settings on the go. It would be nice to be able to put
video on it too if that is possible.<br>
<br>
The PI Zero ways just NINE GRAMS. That is half a gram lighter than a
pound coin!<br>
<br>
Incidentally there are examples of the magazine on ebay for £45 £49
and £89. There was one at £99 the other day.<br>
There is something cool though about giving away a computer on the
front of a magazine.<br>
<br>
Neil<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 27 Nov 2015 00:14, "David Davies-Day"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div>Oooh, I really shouldn't have kicked off the puns.</div>
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<div>When I rang WH Smith (Swansea quadrant), the lady said
I was about the 20th person to phone in and that they
won't be getting anymore.</div>
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<div>Looking at the Pi blog, the Zero is made here in
Wales. </div>
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<div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-zero/"
target="_blank">https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-zero/</a></div>
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<div>WARNING, LONG RAMBLE APPROACHING: short version bear
the end.</div>
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<div>Now that I work in the PCB assembly environment, I can
fully appreciate exactly how they am have got the cost
down on this one. I would imagine they would be
manufactured in panels of 8, they would go through a
screen printer to add the solder paste, pass through the
pick and place machine (Mydata19 for example), then the
reflow oven. That's the assembly complete, into the
Automatic Optical Inspection machine to check for solder
bridges, dry joints, miss aligned compnents etc, if it
passes AOI and there are no though hole components there
would not be a manual inspection, maybe a quick system
check (but I doubt it), that's it off to packing!</div>
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<div>Now, if they were to have populated that 40 pin header,
it woukd have been hand placed and sent over a wave solder
machine, before that though, the 4 mounting holes and any
other hales or pads that should not tmbe soldered would
need to be manually masked using Kapton tape.</div>
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<div>After another person takes a full rack of header
populated boards, puts then through the wave
machine/solder bath, another person would remove the tape
and debug any dry joints or solder bridges, re-seat any
raised components, fit any missing ones or ones that
cannot go through a wave machine, the solder side would be
washed with a safe liquid solution, manual inspection,
then it's packaging.</div>
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<div>If a manufacture, paying UK wages were to make any
profit, they would have to charge their customer 3-4 the
hourly the amount of a UK national minimum wage person.</div>
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<div>(HERE'S THE SHORT OF IT)</div>
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<div>In short, by using the smallest component so possibly,
e.g. the micro USB, mini HDMI etc the board can be shrunk
to its smallest to allow a greater number of boards to be
SMD populated and flowed in on pass, leaving the 40 way
through holes pads unpopulated for the end customer to do
what they want with cuts a out a huge chuck of extra
assembly time.</div>
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<div>Ramble over. :-)</div>
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<div>The attached image shows the connections, really please
to see the Pi Zero still has Composite video out, even if
I will have to populate it with a connector.</div>
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<div>The sets that include cable are good value, but as a
have mini HDMI cable for my android boxes and MICRO USB
OTG cables for my phone, I imagine they will work with the
Zero, I don't really need a bundle, but I may get one to
know I have new set that will be reliable.</div>
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<div>Emry, did you see the Chip Computer I sent an email
about back when the kickstarter campaign was running? </div>
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<div>The $9, now $8 computer has the same 1Ghz, 512ram as
the Zero, but has built in wifi, blue tooth AND 4Gb of on
board storage, HDMI shield is an extra, it does come with
the Composite cable as standard.</div>
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<div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://mobile.geek.com/latest/258638-chip-computer-drops-price-to-8-dollars-raspberry-pi-zero-immediately-steals-its-thunder?origref=https:%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F"
target="_blank">http://mobile.geek.com/latest/258638-chip-computer-drops-price-to-8-dollars-raspberry-pi-zero-immediately-steals-its-thunder?origref=https:%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F</a></div>
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<div>Well, time to sleep, and dream of getting a Zero. </div>
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<span style="font-size:8px">No animals were harmed in the
making of this email. However, several thousand electrons
were severely inconvenienced.</span><br>
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<div>From: Neil Jones <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:neil@aurinia.co.uk" target="_blank">neil@aurinia.co.uk</a>>
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<div>Date:26/11/2015 20:53 (GMT+00:00) </div>
<div>To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:hackspace@swansea.hackspace.org.uk"
target="_blank">hackspace@swansea.hackspace.org.uk</a> </div>
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<div>Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Raspberry Pi Zero </div>
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On 26/11/15 20:21, Alan Cox wrote:<br>
> On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 19:41:05 +0000<br>
> David Davies-Day <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:djdavies83@hotmail.com" target="_blank">djdavies83@hotmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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>> It's a wash out!<br>
>><br>
>> WH Smith sold out almost as soon as they went
in sale, despite what the website says about Asda,
Sainsbury and Tesco, non of them have it on their
systems, let alone their shelves.<br>
>><br>
>> Two copies of issue 40 have appeared on ebay
(both currently over £21 ) in the last two hours, also a
Pi Zero on its own currently at £7.50.<br>
>><br>
>> Raspberry Pi's Twitter feed has commented how
they can't believe their issue 40 is on ebay.<br>
>><br>
>> This is complete Pi-demonium! as Emyr
mentioned, most local newsagents should be able to get
them, I've asked mine for a copy.<br>
> You'll just have to Pi-ne for one for a little
while. I'm sure they'll be<br>
> flooding out soon, after all they are still made in
Bridgend aren't they<br>
> - so it's not a crates from China job.<br>
><br>
> Alan<br>
Oh dear your puns are worse than mine :-)<br>
I agree with Alan basically. They will be available
soon. I would have <br>
liked to get a magazine and I am going to see if one can
be obtained. <br>
There is one up to 30 quid on ebay now! I am not paying
that! I do think <br>
the original link that Justin sent us, where they have
sold out, is a <br>
good deal because you need adapters to get one working
unless you have <br>
them lying around, which I don't<br>
The magazine at its shop price is a bargain, but my
research says there <br>
will be more Pi Zeros available at the end of December.<br>
<br>
People have suggested that "newsagents" can order the
magazine? Well <br>
I'll need to look around. I know of lots of shops that
sell a few papers <br>
and magazines but they tend to be general shops that
sell a bit of <br>
everything these days. They didn't suggest when I asked
in my WHSmith <br>
that they could order it. I would guess they would be
better at it if I <br>
were to ask. What do others think?<br>
<br>
Good heavens! They are now giving away computers with
magazines and the <br>
PI is now as cheap as an Arduino!<br>
<br>
Neil<br>
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