Both are the same size as a full blown Pi<span></span><br><br>On Sunday, November 29, 2015, Neil Jones <<a href="mailto:neil@aurinia.co.uk">neil@aurinia.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>On 28/11/15 18:27, Emyr Morris wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">any good?<br>
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<a href="http://uk.farnell.com/piface/piface-control-display/i-o-board-with-lcd-display-for/dp/2344458" target="_blank">http://uk.farnell.com/piface/piface-control-display/i-o-board-with-lcd-display-for/dp/2344458</a><br>
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Sounds interesting and perhaps it would work<br>
I was thinking possibly of something like this <br>
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<a href="http://www.neosecsolutions.com//products.php?28&cPath=17" target="_blank">http://www.neosecsolutions.com//products.php?28&cPath=17</a><br>
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It is actually a slightly smaller area than a credit card.<br>
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But I would need to work out how much battery capacity the screen
would use.<br>
There are some pretty powerful battery packs available on-line for
charging phones that might do the job.<br>
They seem to have a higher capacity than some laptops!<br>
<br>
Neil<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 28 November 2015 at 16:10, Neil
Jones <span dir="ltr"><<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','neil@aurinia.co.uk');" target="_blank">neil@aurinia.co.uk</a>></span>
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<div>On 27/11/15 01:14, S Wathan wrote:<br>
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<p dir="ltr">The magazine itself can be download for
free from the website, I downloaded it today. So its
just a case for stockist to get the board back in
and not paying the £30 plus people are paying on
ebay</p>
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</span> That is a very sensible way of looking at it
Sarah. <br>
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There is always someone with money to waste who will pay
these silly prices. As you say the magazine is available
free and has some really good articles in there.<br>
I like the idea of an electronic conference badge that
they suggest. I could think of a very good use for one of
those for a conference I attend. <br>
It would make a point to the charity organising it about
the use of the internet that I have been suggesting for
years and I could write it on the badge.<br>
My suggestions would work on a Pi Zero too.<br>
All I need now is a small pocket keyboard solution to
program it / change its settings on the go. It would be
nice to be able to put video on it too if that is
possible.<br>
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The PI Zero ways just NINE GRAMS. That is half a gram
lighter than a pound coin!<br>
<br>
Incidentally there are examples of the magazine on ebay
for £45 £49 and £89. There was one at £99 the other day.<br>
There is something cool though about giving away a
computer on the front of a magazine.<span><br>
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Neil</span>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 27 Nov 2015 00:14,
"David Davies-Day" <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','djdavies83@hotmail.com');" target="_blank">djdavies83@hotmail.com</a>>
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<div>Oooh, I really shouldn't have kicked off
the puns.</div>
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<div>When I rang WH Smith (Swansea quadrant),
the lady said I was about the 20th person to
phone in and that they won't be getting
anymore.</div>
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<div>Looking at the Pi blog, the Zero is made
here in Wales. </div>
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<div><a href="https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-zero/" target="_blank">https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-zero/</a></div>
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<div>WARNING, LONG RAMBLE APPROACHING: short
version bear the end.</div>
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<div>Now that I work in the PCB assembly
environment, I can fully appreciate exactly
how they am have got the cost down on this
one. I would imagine they would be
manufactured in panels of 8, they would go
through a screen printer to add the solder
paste, pass through the pick and place
machine (Mydata19 for example), then the
reflow oven. That's the assembly complete,
into the Automatic Optical Inspection
machine to check for solder bridges, dry
joints, miss aligned compnents etc, if it
passes AOI and there are no though hole
components there would not be a manual
inspection, maybe a quick system check (but
I doubt it), that's it off to packing!</div>
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<div>Now, if they were to have populated that
40 pin header, it woukd have been hand
placed and sent over a wave solder machine,
before that though, the 4 mounting holes and
any other hales or pads that should not tmbe
soldered would need to be manually masked
using Kapton tape.</div>
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<div>After another person takes a full rack of
header populated boards, puts then through
the wave machine/solder bath, another person
would remove the tape and debug any dry
joints or solder bridges, re-seat any raised
components, fit any missing ones or ones
that cannot go through a wave machine, the
solder side would be washed with a safe
liquid solution, manual inspection, then
it's packaging.</div>
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<div>If a manufacture, paying UK wages were
to make any profit, they would have to
charge their customer 3-4 the hourly the
amount of a UK national minimum wage person.</div>
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<div>(HERE'S THE SHORT OF IT)</div>
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<div>In short, by using the smallest component
so possibly, e.g. the micro USB, mini HDMI
etc the board can be shrunk to its smallest
to allow a greater number of boards to be
SMD populated and flowed in on pass, leaving
the 40 way through holes pads unpopulated
for the end customer to do what they want
with cuts a out a huge chuck of extra
assembly time.</div>
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<div>Ramble over. :-)</div>
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<div>The attached image shows the connections,
really please to see the Pi Zero still has
Composite video out, even if I will have to
populate it with a connector.</div>
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<div>The sets that include cable are good
value, but as a have mini HDMI cable for my
android boxes and MICRO USB OTG cables for
my phone, I imagine they will work with the
Zero, I don't really need a bundle, but I
may get one to know I have new set that will
be reliable.</div>
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<div>Emry, did you see the Chip Computer I
sent an email about back when the
kickstarter campaign was running? </div>
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<div>The $9, now $8 computer has the same
1Ghz, 512ram as the Zero, but has built in
wifi, blue tooth AND 4Gb of on board
storage, HDMI shield is an extra, it does
come with the Composite cable as standard.</div>
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<div><a href="http://mobile.geek.com/latest/258638-chip-computer-drops-price-to-8-dollars-raspberry-pi-zero-immediately-steals-its-thunder?origref=https:%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F" target="_blank">http://mobile.geek.com/latest/258638-chip-computer-drops-price-to-8-dollars-raspberry-pi-zero-immediately-steals-its-thunder?origref=https:%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F</a></div>
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<div>Well, time to sleep, and dream of getting
a Zero. </div>
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On 26/11/15 20:21, Alan Cox wrote:<br>
> On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 19:41:05 +0000<br>
> David Davies-Day <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','djdavies83@hotmail.com');" target="_blank"></a><a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','djdavies83@hotmail.com');" target="_blank">djdavies83@hotmail.com</a>>
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>> It's a wash out!<br>
>><br>
>> WH Smith sold out almost as soon
as they went in sale, despite what the
website says about Asda, Sainsbury and
Tesco, non of them have it on their
systems, let alone their shelves.<br>
>><br>
>> Two copies of issue 40 have
appeared on ebay (both currently over £21
) in the last two hours, also a Pi Zero on
its own currently at £7.50.<br>
>><br>
>> Raspberry Pi's Twitter feed has
commented how they can't believe their
issue 40 is on ebay.<br>
>><br>
>> This is complete Pi-demonium! as
Emyr mentioned, most local newsagents
should be able to get them, I've asked
mine for a copy.<br>
> You'll just have to Pi-ne for one for
a little while. I'm sure they'll be<br>
> flooding out soon, after all they are
still made in Bridgend aren't they<br>
> - so it's not a crates from China
job.<br>
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> Alan<br>
Oh dear your puns are worse than mine :-)<br>
I agree with Alan basically. They will be
available soon. I would have <br>
liked to get a magazine and I am going to
see if one can be obtained. <br>
There is one up to 30 quid on ebay now! I
am not paying that! I do think <br>
the original link that Justin sent us,
where they have sold out, is a <br>
good deal because you need adapters to get
one working unless you have <br>
them lying around, which I don't<br>
The magazine at its shop price is a
bargain, but my research says there <br>
will be more Pi Zeros available at the
end of December.<br>
<br>
People have suggested that "newsagents"
can order the magazine? Well <br>
I'll need to look around. I know of lots
of shops that sell a few papers <br>
and magazines but they tend to be general
shops that sell a bit of <br>
everything these days. They didn't suggest
when I asked in my WHSmith <br>
that they could order it. I would guess
they would be better at it if I <br>
were to ask. What do others think?<br>
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Good heavens! They are now giving away
computers with magazines and the <br>
PI is now as cheap as an Arduino!<br>
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Neil<br>
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