Both are the same size as a full blown Pi<span></span><br><br>On Sunday, November 29, 2015, Neil Jones <<a href="mailto:neil@aurinia.co.uk">neil@aurinia.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <div>On 28/11/15 18:27, Emyr Morris wrote:<br>
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    Sounds interesting and perhaps it would work<br>
    I was thinking possibly of something like this <br>
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    It is actually a slightly smaller area than a credit card.<br>
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    But I would need to work out how much battery capacity the screen
    would use.<br>
    There are some pretty powerful battery packs available on-line for
    charging phones that might do the job.<br>
    They seem to  have a higher capacity than some laptops!<br>
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    Neil<br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On 28 November 2015 at 16:10, Neil
          Jones <span dir="ltr"><<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','neil@aurinia.co.uk');" target="_blank">neil@aurinia.co.uk</a>></span>
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                <div>On 27/11/15 01:14, S Wathan wrote:<br>
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                  <p dir="ltr">The magazine itself can be download for
                    free from the website, I downloaded it today. So its
                    just a case for stockist to get the board back in
                    and not paying the £30 plus people are paying on
                    ebay</p>
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              </span> That is a very sensible way of looking at it
              Sarah. <br>
              <br>
              There is always someone with money to waste who will pay
              these silly prices. As you say the magazine is available
              free and has some really good articles in there.<br>
              I like the idea of an electronic conference badge that
              they suggest. I could think of a very good use for one of
              those for a conference I attend. <br>
              It would make a point to the charity organising it about
              the use of the internet that I have been suggesting for
              years and I could write it on the badge.<br>
              My suggestions would work on a Pi Zero too.<br>
              All I need now is a small pocket keyboard solution to
              program it / change its settings on the go. It would be
              nice to be able to put video on it too if that is
              possible.<br>
              <br>
              The PI Zero ways just NINE GRAMS. That is half a gram
              lighter than a pound coin!<br>
              <br>
              Incidentally there are examples of the magazine on ebay
              for £45 £49 and £89. There was one at £99 the other day.<br>
              There is something cool though about giving away a
              computer on the front of a magazine.<span><br>
                <br>
                Neil</span>
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                    <div class="gmail_quote">On 27 Nov 2015 00:14,
                      "David Davies-Day" <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','djdavies83@hotmail.com');" target="_blank">djdavies83@hotmail.com</a>>
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                          <div>Oooh, I really shouldn't have kicked off
                            the puns.</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>When I rang WH Smith (Swansea quadrant),
                            the lady said I was about the 20th person to
                            phone in and that they won't be getting
                            anymore.</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>Looking at the Pi blog, the Zero is made
                            here in Wales. </div>
                          <div><br>
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                          <div><a href="https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-zero/" target="_blank">https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-zero/</a></div>
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                          <div>WARNING, LONG RAMBLE APPROACHING: short
                            version bear the end.</div>
                          <div><br>
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                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>Now that I work in the PCB assembly
                            environment, I can fully appreciate exactly
                            how they am have got the cost down on this
                            one. I would imagine they would be
                            manufactured in panels of 8, they would go
                            through a screen printer to add the solder
                            paste, pass through the pick and place
                            machine (Mydata19 for example), then the
                            reflow oven. That's the assembly complete,
                            into the Automatic Optical Inspection
                            machine to check for solder bridges, dry
                            joints,  miss aligned compnents etc, if it
                            passes AOI and there are no though hole
                            components there would not be a manual
                            inspection, maybe a quick system check (but
                            I doubt it), that's it off to packing!</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>Now, if they were to have populated that
                            40 pin header, it woukd have been hand
                            placed and sent over a wave solder machine,
                            before that though, the 4 mounting holes and
                            any other hales or pads that should not tmbe
                            soldered would need to be manually masked
                            using Kapton tape.</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>After another person takes a full rack of
                            header populated boards, puts then through
                            the wave machine/solder bath, another person
                            would remove the tape and debug any dry
                            joints or solder bridges, re-seat any raised
                            components,  fit any missing ones or ones
                            that cannot go through a wave machine, the
                            solder side would be washed with a safe
                            liquid solution, manual inspection, then
                            it's packaging.</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>If a manufacture,  paying UK wages were
                            to make any profit, they would have to
                            charge their customer 3-4 the hourly the
                            amount of a UK national minimum wage person.</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>(HERE'S THE SHORT OF IT)</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>In short, by using the smallest component
                            so possibly, e.g. the micro USB, mini HDMI
                            etc the board can be shrunk to its smallest
                            to allow a greater number of boards to be
                            SMD populated and flowed in on pass, leaving
                            the 40 way through holes pads unpopulated
                            for the end customer to do what they want
                            with cuts a out a huge chuck of extra
                            assembly time.</div>
                          <div><br>
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                          <div>Ramble over. :-)</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>The attached image shows the connections,
                            really please to see the Pi Zero still has
                            Composite video out, even if I will have to
                            populate it with a connector.</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>The sets that include cable are good
                            value, but as a have mini HDMI cable for my
                            android boxes and MICRO USB OTG cables for
                            my phone, I imagine they will work with the
                            Zero, I don't really need a bundle, but I
                            may get one to know I have new set that will
                            be reliable.</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>Emry, did you see the Chip Computer I
                            sent an email about back when the
                            kickstarter campaign was running? </div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>The $9, now $8 computer has the same
                            1Ghz, 512ram as the Zero, but has built in
                            wifi, blue tooth AND 4Gb of on board
                            storage, HDMI shield is an extra, it does
                            come with the Composite cable as standard.</div>
                          <div><br>
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                          <div><a href="http://mobile.geek.com/latest/258638-chip-computer-drops-price-to-8-dollars-raspberry-pi-zero-immediately-steals-its-thunder?origref=https:%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F" target="_blank">http://mobile.geek.com/latest/258638-chip-computer-drops-price-to-8-dollars-raspberry-pi-zero-immediately-steals-its-thunder?origref=https:%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F</a></div>
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                          <div>Well, time to sleep, and dream of getting
                            a Zero. </div>
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                          <span>No animals were harmed in the making of
                            this email. However, several thousand
                            electrons were severely inconvenienced.</span><br>
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                          <div>From: Neil Jones <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','neil@aurinia.co.uk');" target="_blank"></a><a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','neil@aurinia.co.uk');" target="_blank">neil@aurinia.co.uk</a>>
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                          <div>Date:26/11/2015 20:53 (GMT+00:00) </div>
                          <div>To: <a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','hackspace@swansea.hackspace.org.uk');" target="_blank">hackspace@swansea.hackspace.org.uk</a>
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                          <div>Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace]
                            Raspberry Pi Zero </div>
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                              On 26/11/15 20:21, Alan Cox wrote:<br>
                              > On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 19:41:05 +0000<br>
                              > David Davies-Day <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','djdavies83@hotmail.com');" target="_blank"></a><a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','djdavies83@hotmail.com');" target="_blank">djdavies83@hotmail.com</a>>

                              wrote:<br>
                              ><br>
                              >> It's a wash out!<br>
                              >><br>
                              >> WH Smith sold out almost as soon
                              as they went in sale, despite what the
                              website says about Asda, Sainsbury and
                              Tesco, non of them have it on their
                              systems, let alone their shelves.<br>
                              >><br>
                              >> Two copies of issue 40 have
                              appeared on ebay (both currently over £21
                              ) in the last two hours, also a Pi Zero on
                              its own currently at £7.50.<br>
                              >><br>
                              >> Raspberry Pi's Twitter feed has
                              commented how they can't believe their
                              issue 40 is on ebay.<br>
                              >><br>
                              >> This is complete Pi-demonium! as
                              Emyr mentioned, most local newsagents
                              should be able to get them, I've asked
                              mine for a copy.<br>
                              > You'll just have to Pi-ne for one for
                              a little while. I'm sure they'll be<br>
                              > flooding out soon, after all they are
                              still made in Bridgend aren't they<br>
                              > - so it's not a crates from China
                              job.<br>
                              ><br>
                              > Alan<br>
                              Oh dear your puns are worse than mine :-)<br>
                              I agree with Alan basically. They will be
                              available soon. I would have <br>
                              liked to get a magazine and I am going to
                              see if one can be obtained. <br>
                              There is one up to 30 quid on ebay now! I
                              am not paying that! I do think <br>
                              the original link that Justin sent us,
                              where they have sold out, is a <br>
                              good deal because you need adapters to get
                              one working unless you have <br>
                              them lying around, which I don't<br>
                              The magazine at its shop price is a
                              bargain, but my research says there <br>
                              will be more  Pi Zeros available at the
                              end of December.<br>
                              <br>
                              People have suggested that "newsagents"
                              can order the magazine? Well <br>
                              I'll need to look around. I know of lots
                              of shops that sell a few papers <br>
                              and magazines but they tend to be general
                              shops that sell a bit of <br>
                              everything these days. They didn't suggest
                              when I asked in my WHSmith <br>
                              that they could order it. I would guess
                              they would be better at it if I <br>
                              were to ask. What do others think?<br>
                              <br>
                              Good heavens! They are now giving away
                              computers with magazines and the <br>
                              PI is now as cheap as an Arduino!<br>
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