<div dir="ltr">That makes sense. 3d printing does by its nature lie closer to the "project" end of the spectrum anyway.<br><br>I've only had experience with printer kits on the RepRap side of things, which is on a whole other level. So at the end of the day it comes down to what the society values more: Putting a (apparently simple) kit together, or buying a fully assembled version (but still having to set it up and get it working)</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 12 March 2018 at 11:31, Matthew Daubney <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:matt@daubers.co.uk" target="_blank">matt@daubers.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div>I'm gonna stick my head above the parapet on a couple of things here...<br><br></div>Prusa do a complete pre-assembled version as well as the kit version (It's a couple of hundred quid more though), however, when I built my Mk2 it was one of the most pleasant kits I've ever built. The instructions where better than modern Ikea instructions, it even came with the tools you needed.<br><br></div>That aside!<br><br></div>I'm not sure you can make 3d printing a 100% easy thing by just chucking a good printer in the room. Really it'll need a couple of people who are willing to consistently put an evening in to teach how to model in 3d (the software for which puts me off some days), how to use a slicer, how to use the machine and to expect spaghetti on occasion and how to troubleshoot that.<br><br></div>So I'm not sure you can make it "easy" for everyone, but you can make it easily approachable.<br><br></div>I'm not sure if that helps or hinders?<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="">On 12 March 2018 at 11:23, Tim Clark <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eclipse@sucs.org" target="_blank">eclipse@sucs.org</a>></span> wrote:<br></span><div><div class="h5"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>I worry that anything that describes itself as a kit doesn't meet
the fundamental brief of "Tool not Project", when was the last
time you had to put the plug on your new drill, or glue the handle
on your new screwdriver?<span class="m_5211146177507669075HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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<div dir="auto">How are you at Lego Sophia? That's the level of
the assembly instructions</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 12 Mar 2018 11:07 a.m., "Sophia
Komninou" <<a href="mailto:sophia.komninou@gmail.com" target="_blank">sophia.komninou@gmail.com</a>>
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<div dir="ltr">I would like to offer my opinion as someone
with no prior experience with 3D printers.
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<div>I would like to stay for a second to the " <span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">kit
more likely as it's a hackspace after all" and remind
to whoever will get more involved with the decision
making that hackspace has a diverse membership and not
just computer savvy members. It is also my
understanding that this diversity is one of the points
we are trying to promote as a "place for </span><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><b>all</b></span><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">
people who like to make stuff". Further, I remember
Matt saying at the AGM that what they did in Reading
was to "make things as simple as possible" in order to
engage more people and create a community. Therefore,
how a kit is going to achieve that (unless I guess
after assembled works very very simply). </span></div>
<div><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><br>
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<div><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">As
someone who is not as savvy with the traditional
hackspace activities, I would personally want to see a
non-intimidating looking 3D printer to be encouraged
to try using it. </span></div>
<div><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><br>
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<div><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">I
guess I do get a bit cranky with things like that but
I thought I should give my perspective regardless...</span></div>
<div><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><br>
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<div><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">Sophia</span></div>
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Jones <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:neil@aurinia.co.uk" target="_blank">neil@aurinia.co.uk</a>></span>:<br>
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On 12/03/18 01:14, Alex Duffield wrote:<br>
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Best bet is hands on experience, I can bring it
tomorrow if you like, bringing my signal generator
so taking a bus anyway<br>
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Why don't you just bring it in anyway? It wouldn't be
the first time someone has brought a 3d printer in to
show others. Even if we weren't looking at getting a
new one it would be interesting for others to see. It
is a cool piece of kit.<span class="m_5211146177507669075m_-2716499818286525578m_-482613697231454275HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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