<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">To be clear:<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">SWARM is an industry response to the COVID19 challenge and is not affiliated with Hackspace, requested by Welsh Government and affiliated with Industry Wales.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The WhatsApp link I sent is for the SWARM group.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">SWARM is working with Senior people from NHS, Swansea University and from Industry. We have around 50-60 people in the group including senior clinicians, procurement, senior university staff from both universities.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The points raised here are all valid. We will hopefully be able to provide a coherent call for items to be made that can get into the hospital supply chain safely.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The most important point to note is - we need to be helpful. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Do the things that are helpful and have been requested by the professionals or you might do more harm than good. You have amazing skills and they probably will be called on. We are working flat out to provide useful information to you as to what can help.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">— Paul<br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 24 Mar 2020, at 13:12, Neil Jones <<a href="mailto:neil@aurinia.co.uk" class="">neil@aurinia.co.uk</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">Andy I'm being civil I'm not being impolite. I've not accused anyone of anything. I've not been abusive. Tom, who has some medical knowledge just seems to have made my point. There is no point making something that isn't wanted.<br class=""></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">I'm being rational. I've a lot of experience with organisations. I've been a voluntary director of a multimiliion pound turn over not for profit organisation.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">As you should know Andy from the email you got from me I do want to do something and thought this was a good idea, but someone spotted a flaw and I am questioning it to determine its truth. That is all I am doing. We need to determine if the organisation wants this or is it just an unapproved idea from a junior staff member.<br class=""></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">I'm actually not stressed today. I have been locked down for sometime and I'm really pleased that the government is now endorsing what I have done. I can now get on with several tasks that have been on my list for some time.<br class=""></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""> Hospitals are bound by health and safety laws just as we are in the Hackspace. A nurse, who by appearances is a relatively junior person, cannot approve the use of new equipment any more than one of us can suddenly stick a lathe in the space without the directors approving it.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">I have joined the whatsapp group. I don't intend to say anymore here.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">Neil<br class=""></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br class=""></div><div class="moz-cite-prefix" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">On 24/03/2020 12:44, Andy Rush wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:AM5PR10MB169868F6C4ED8576C493623E9DF10@AM5PR10MB1698.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class="">Gentlemen, before this escalates any further, this is a reminder to please keep things civil on the mailing list. I understand that a lockdown is stressful, but this is not a court of law, and we don't need to get to the bottom of who organised this, where, when and how, etc.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class="">Alex, if you wish to coordinate with others on the mailing list, please feel free to do so. But, lets keep it to that, shall we?<br class=""><br class="">Thanks<br class=""><br class="">Ansy<br class=""></div><div class=""><div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><br class=""></div><hr tabindex="-1" style="display: inline-block; width: 685.015625px;" class=""><div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr" class=""><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Hackspace<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:hackspace-bounces@swansea.hackspace.org.uk"><hackspace-bounces@swansea.hackspace.org.uk></a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>on behalf of Alex Duffield<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:alexmduffield@gmail.com"><alexmduffield@gmail.com></a><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>24 March 2020 12:37<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Swansea Hackspace<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:hackspace@swansea.hackspace.org.uk"><hackspace@swansea.hackspace.org.uk></a><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Medical Mask Printing</font><div class=""> </div></div><div class=""><div dir="auto" class="">Nurse from Brighton children's hospital, confirmed via linked in and phone calls</div><br class=""><div class="x_gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="x_gmail_attr">On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 12:21 PM Neil Jones <<a href="mailto:neil@aurinia.co.uk" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">neil@aurinia.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="x_gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=""><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">A nurse somewhere? Does she have official backing? Do you have good evidence of that?<br class=""></div><div class="">On 24/03/2020 11:56, Alex Duffield wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="auto" class="">We are in contact with a nurse in Brighton, it was organised by her cousin initially (he works in 3d printing software) but she's the one requesting these</div><br class=""><div class="x_gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="x_gmail_attr">On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 11:18 AM Neil Jones <<a href="mailto:neil@aurinia.co.uk" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">neil@aurinia.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="x_gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">On 24/03/2020 11:05, Alex Duffield wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">they certainly do have the print farm capacitybut may not have the staff, this particular project is someone specific needing 100 odd asap and approached us with the printing methods</div></blockquote><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Who is "someone specific" are they working with someone who will<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">definitely and provably</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>use the equipment created. I know a bloke isn't really enough. I am being insistent about this for good reason. I've recently emailed the group's directors with an idea, which because this list is public and googlable I can't discuss here yet.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Neil</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div></div>_______________________________________________<br class="">Hackspace mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:Hackspace@swansea.hackspace.org.uk" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">Hackspace@swansea.hackspace.org.uk</a><br class=""><a href="http://swansea.hackspace.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">http://swansea.hackspace.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace</a><br class=""></blockquote></div><br class=""><fieldset class=""></fieldset><pre class="">_______________________________________________
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