[Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 3, Issue 21
Tim Moore
timmoore47 at gmail.com
Sun Mar 24 04:38:40 GMT 2013
As absolutely nothing is going to happen until we've had a meeting so
LETS FOCUS ON THAT !
Village Halls are very low cost and abound !
If all this thead achieves is a meeting, its served us well !
: ))
Tim_1
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> From: Neil Jones <neil at nwjones.demon.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] What next
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> On 23/03/2013 20:45, Tom Lloyd wrote:
>> Haha, what did I say? Cwmbwrla! I don't know anything about it
>> beyond where it is; is it still occupied?
>>
>> I guess we need to consider security too. Wherever we choose, if we
>> keep tools there it could become a target for thieves. Do other
>> hackspaces have problems with this?
>>
>> -- Tom
> Hang on! You can't just rent premises used for one thing at the moment
> and turn it into a hackspace.
> You may need planning permission for the change of use
> http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/permission/commonprojects/changeofuse/
> When there are planning applications neighbours are consulted. This is
> why we should have a closed list that is not internet searchable.
> Since we are not going to create any more noise and disturbance than a
> normal person quietly living at home, I can't see a problem
> I am not the planning officer who decides on these matters though. It is
> quite likely that an ideal place would need change of use permission.
>
> The moment anyone posts a message about a particular place we are open
> to misguided planning objections which could jeopardise the project.
> We are going to find ourselves discussing legal matters, in effect. It
> is not wise to do so in public!
>
> Neil
>
>
>
>
>>
>> On 23 March 2013 20:39, ceri clatworthy <ceri.clatworthy at gmail.com
>> <mailto:ceri.clatworthy at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I have been told about Swansea friends of the disabled,
>> Just Swansea side of camathen road,
>> Next door to carpet shop,
>> And it is main bus route as well.
>> Pub, three sisters across road,
>>
>> Cheers
>> Ceri
>>
>> On Mar 23, 2013 8:35 PM, "Tom Lloyd" <napalmllama at gmail.com
>> <mailto:napalmllama at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I suspect that any potential retail space would charge a
>> premium. We want somewhere just out of town, nearby but off
>> the beaten track - perhaps a former garage or small factory or
>> studio? Cwmdu/Cwmbwrla might be a good area to start looking.
>>
>> Obviously if we can convince either university to make room
>> for us at reduced cost then that would be ideal. Is anybody in
>> a good position to make enquiries at the Met?
>>
>> -- Tom
>>
>> On 23 March 2013 20:24, Justin Mitchell
>> <justin at discordia.org.uk <mailto:justin at discordia.org.uk>> wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 2013-03-23 at 18:08 +0000, Neil Jones wrote:
>>
>> > There is a possible item of "where roughly should we be
>> aiming to have
>> > the hackspace."
>>
>> My thoughts and discussions on this subject so far are
>> that it needs to
>> be somewhere fairly central, in the SA2 or SA1 region.
>>
>> The majority of industrial unit type spaces seem to be a
>> fair way out of
>> town, llansamlet area or further, now whilst they are nice
>> big spaces
>> with good parking they pretty much suck for public
>> transport access,
>> especially out of business hours.
>>
>> I think that if we are to attract the widest range of
>> members then that
>> is highly likely to include those to which transport is an
>> issue.
>>
>> >From searching the council provided listings (as someone
>> already listed
>> on here) there are a number of shop units and small office
>> spaces around
>> the town, in areas like sandfields, brynmill, walter road
>> type areas
>> which are relatively cheap and close to busy bus routes
>> and other
>> amenities.
>>
>> As for funding, well that's going to depend heavily on how
>> many people
>> are likely to be able to commit to paying a membership,
>> and how much it
>> costs to rent a suitably sized space.
>>
>> I believe that a contingent in the university that are on
>> this list have
>> investigated if there is any space available there, which
>> may well have
>> come cheaply, but i don't think there was any success so far
>> ?
>>
>> Re: tools etc, i had hoped to get a feeling for this with
>> my initial
>> statement of what people expected from a hackspace, i
>> didnt get many
>> responses, perhaps those that havent yet done so could
>> take a moment to
>> share with us their expectations or aspirations.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> On Mar 24, 2013 12:34 AM, "Neil Jones" <neil at nwjones.demon.co.uk> wrote:
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>> On 23/03/2013 20:45, Tom Lloyd wrote:
>>
>> Haha, what did I say? Cwmbwrla! I don't know anything about it beyond
>> where it is; is it still occupied?
>>
>> I guess we need to consider security too. Wherever we choose, if we keep
>> tools there it could become a target for thieves. Do other hackspaces
>> have
>> problems with this?
>>
>> -- Tom
>>
>> Hang on! You can't just rent premises used for one thing at the moment
>> and
>> turn it into a hackspace.
>> You may need planning permission for the change of use
>> http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/permission/commonprojects/changeofuse/
>> When there are planning applications neighbours are consulted. This is
>> why
>> we should have a closed list that is not internet searchable.
>> Since we are not going to create any more noise and disturbance than a
>> normal person quietly living at home, I can't see a problem
>> I am not the planning officer who decides on these matters though. It is
>> quite likely that an ideal place would need change of use permission.
>>
>> The moment anyone posts a message about a particular place we are open to
>> misguided planning objections which could jeopardise the project.
>> We are going to find ourselves discussing legal matters, in effect. It is
>> not wise to do so in public!
>>
>> Neil
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 23 March 2013 20:39, ceri clatworthy <ceri.clatworthy at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have been told about Swansea friends of the disabled,
>>> Just Swansea side of camathen road,
>>> Next door to carpet shop,
>>> And it is main bus route as well.
>>> Pub, three sisters across road,
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Ceri
>>> On Mar 23, 2013 8:35 PM, "Tom Lloyd" <napalmllama at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I suspect that any potential retail space would charge a premium. We
>>>> want somewhere just out of town, nearby but off the beaten track -
>>>> perhaps
>>>> a former garage or small factory or studio? Cwmdu/Cwmbwrla might be a
>>>> good
>>>> area to start looking.
>>>>
>>>> Obviously if we can convince either university to make room for us at
>>>> reduced cost then that would be ideal. Is anybody in a good position
>>>> to
>>>> make enquiries at the Met?
>>>>
>>>> -- Tom
>>>>
>>>> On 23 March 2013 20:24, Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 2013-03-23 at 18:08 +0000, Neil Jones wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > There is a possible item of "where roughly should we be aiming to
>>>>> > have
>>>>> > the hackspace."
>>>>>
>>>>> My thoughts and discussions on this subject so far are that it needs
>>>>> to
>>>>> be somewhere fairly central, in the SA2 or SA1 region.
>>>>>
>>>>> The majority of industrial unit type spaces seem to be a fair way out
>>>>> of
>>>>> town, llansamlet area or further, now whilst they are nice big spaces
>>>>> with good parking they pretty much suck for public transport access,
>>>>> especially out of business hours.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think that if we are to attract the widest range of members then
>>>>> that
>>>>> is highly likely to include those to which transport is an issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> >From searching the council provided listings (as someone already
>>>>> listed
>>>>> on here) there are a number of shop units and small office spaces
>>>>> around
>>>>> the town, in areas like sandfields, brynmill, walter road type areas
>>>>> which are relatively cheap and close to busy bus routes and other
>>>>> amenities.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for funding, well that's going to depend heavily on how many people
>>>>> are likely to be able to commit to paying a membership, and how much
>>>>> it
>>>>> costs to rent a suitably sized space.
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe that a contingent in the university that are on this list
>>>>> have
>>>>> investigated if there is any space available there, which may well
>>>>> have
>>>>> come cheaply, but i don't think there was any success so far ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Re: tools etc, i had hoped to get a feeling for this with my initial
>>>>> statement of what people expected from a hackspace, i didnt get many
>>>>> responses, perhaps those that havent yet done so could take a moment
>>>>> to
>>>>> share with us their expectations or aspirations.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Hackspace mailing list
>>>>> Hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
>>>>> http://stoneship.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hackspace
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