[Swansea Hackspace] Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 3, Issue 28

Tim Moore timmoore47 at gmail.com
Tue Mar 26 12:07:44 GMT 2013 

Whilst I'm not given to many words, but I NEVER access my facebook except
for exceptional reasons. I NEVER post on it, same goes for any social
networking site.   (For one reason i have so little idle time ! ) *LOL*

:  )

Tim

On 26 March 2013 12:00, <hackspace-request at swansea.hackspace.org.uk> wrote:

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>    1. Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 3, Issue 26 (Neil Jones)
>    2. Re: What next (Justin Mitchell)
>    3. Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 3, Issue 26 (Justin Mitchell)
>    4. Re: Hackspace Digest, Vol 3, Issue 26 (Tom Lloyd)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 09:57:26 +0000
> From: Neil Jones <neil at nwjones.demon.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Hackspace Digest, Vol 3, Issue 26
> To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
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> On 26/03/2013 09:24, Gerrit Niezen wrote:
> > If we take a guesstimate of 20 permanent members, 20 x £5 x 12 months
> > = £1200 per year. Even in a very severe depression that would not pay
> > for a space, equipment, bills etc. As Paul already said, Bristol
> > Hackspace charges a minimum of £10/month. Makerspace in Cambridge
> > charges £40/month. They did have an interesting way to bootstrap the
> > hackspace: "Founder Members paid £250 upfront before Makespace was
> > open, in exchange for 6 months of membership including early access to
> > the space and involvement in planning and building the space and
> > community."
> >
> > According to London Hackspace, they require an average of £20/month
> > per member to survive. Makerspace Newcastle charges a minimum of
> > £10/month, but encourages members who use the space more to pay more.
> > Cardiff Hackspace also charges £20/month, and hopes to bring that down
> > to £15/month once they have more members.
> >
> > On the Swansea Hackspace Facebook page
> > (https://www.facebook.com/SwanseaHackspace) I've posted an opinion
> > poll where you can vote on how much you'd be willing to pay.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Gerrit
>
> PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE can we NOT use Facebook for making decisions. This
> is one of the reasons why we need physical meetings . This is the second
> time, ( the first was the awful meeting venue) when someone has created
> a problematic fait acompli. These things are I accept done with the best
> of motives, but there are problems.
>
> A lof of very serious IT people are averse to using Facebook for good
> reasons. This is Richard Stallman's take on the issue. Yes THE RIchard
> Stallman.
> http://stallman.org/facebook.html
>
> Most serious amongst the stories is Facebook making up "likes", such as
> the person in a committed relationship who is supposed to "Like"
> internet dating!
>
> Before anyone calls me "Paranoid" again, I have very very good reasons
> for saying what I do, and a degree of specialist knowledge. I cannot
> tell you, however, because this is a publicly archived list. :-)
>
> Neil
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> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 11:11:55 +0000
> From: Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] What next
> To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
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> On Mon, 2013-03-25 at 18:33 +0000, Neil Jones wrote:
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> > On 25/03/2013 18:00, Paul Harwood wrote:
> > > What kind of money are you thinking of charging members?(Bristol
> > > Hackspace charges £10 per month per member)
> > > And how many members do you think will occupy the space initially?
>
> >
> > On very obvious question is how many people are on this list?
>
> 32 subscribed to this mailing list.
> 25 following the facebook page.
>
> We clearly need to go on a recruitment drive.
>
> Could everyone please try to spread the word to people and groups they
> know.  Share the facebook group, mention the website, hand out cards, do
> whatever it takes.
>
> http://swansea.hackspace.org.uk
> http://www.facebook.com/SwanseaHackspace
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> I have designed some simple business card sized adverts for the
> hackspace which i have been handing out to people i talk to about the
> space, if anyone wants to print their own you can download it
> http://swansea.hackspace.org.uk/resources/
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 11:41:51 +0000
> From: Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Hackspace Digest, Vol 3, Issue 26
> To: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
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> > On Tue, 2013-03-26 at 09:24 +0000, Gerrit Niezen wrote:
> > > On the Swansea Hackspace Facebook page
> > > (https://www.facebook.com/SwanseaHackspace) I've posted an opinion
> > > poll where you can vote on how much you'd be willing to pay.
> >
>
> > On Tue, 2013-03-26 at 09:57 +0000, Neil Jones wrote:
> > PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE can we NOT use Facebook for making decisions. This
> > is one of the reasons why we need physical meetings
>
> It was posed a few days ago that we should hold a straw poll on this
> topic and facebook was suggested at the time, nobody offered any
> alternatives, at least Gerrit is doing something to contribute.
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 11:51:35 +0000
> From: Tom Lloyd <napalmllama at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Hackspace Digest, Vol 3, Issue 26
> To: Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk>
> Cc: hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk
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> I think that in general Facebook should be avoided, (for all RMS' reasons;
> also not everyone has an account), but for stuff like an informal opinion
> poll it'll do in a pinch.  Or, try a web search for eg. "easy poll".
>
> If a decision matters, we'll discuss it in person.  If not... then it
> doesn't matter :)
>
> -- Tom
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> On 26 March 2013 11:41, Justin Mitchell <justin at discordia.org.uk> wrote:
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> >
> >
> > > On Tue, 2013-03-26 at 09:24 +0000, Gerrit Niezen wrote:
> > > > On the Swansea Hackspace Facebook page
> > > > (https://www.facebook.com/SwanseaHackspace) I've posted an opinion
> > > > poll where you can vote on how much you'd be willing to pay.
> > >
> >
> > > On Tue, 2013-03-26 at 09:57 +0000, Neil Jones wrote:
> > > PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE can we NOT use Facebook for making decisions. This
> > > is one of the reasons why we need physical meetings
> >
> > It was posed a few days ago that we should hold a straw poll on this
> > topic and facebook was suggested at the time, nobody offered any
> > alternatives, at least Gerrit is doing something to contribute.
> >
> >
> >
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