[Swansea Hackspace] Medical Mask Printing

[Paul Harwood]

To be clear:

SWARM is an industry response to the COVID19 challenge and is not affiliated with Hackspace, requested by Welsh Government and affiliated with Industry Wales.

The WhatsApp link I sent is for the SWARM group.

SWARM is working with Senior people from NHS, Swansea University and from Industry. We have around 50-60 people in the group including senior clinicians, procurement, senior university staff from both universities.

The points raised here are all valid. We will hopefully be able to provide a coherent call for items to be made that can get into the hospital supply chain safely.

The most important point to note is - we need to be helpful. 

Do the things that are helpful and have been requested by the professionals or you might do more harm than good. You have amazing skills and they probably will be called on. We are working flat out to provide useful information to you as to what can help.

Thanks

— Paul

> On 24 Mar 2020, at 13:12, Neil Jones <neil at aurinia.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Andy I'm being civil I'm not being impolite. I've not accused anyone of anything. I've not been abusive. Tom, who has some medical knowledge just seems to have made my point. There is no point making something that isn't wanted.
> 
> I'm being rational. I've a lot of experience with organisations. I've been a voluntary director of a multimiliion pound turn over  not for profit organisation.
> 
> As you should know Andy from the email you got from me I do want to do something and thought this was a good idea, but someone spotted a flaw and I am questioning it to determine its truth. That is all I am doing. We need to determine if the organisation wants this or is it just an unapproved idea from a junior staff member.
> 
> I'm actually not stressed today. I have been locked down for sometime and I'm really pleased that the government is now endorsing what I have done. I can now get on with several tasks that have been on my list for some time.
>  Hospitals are bound by health and safety laws just as we are in the Hackspace. A nurse, who by appearances is a relatively junior person, cannot approve the use of new equipment any more than one of us can suddenly stick a lathe in the space without the directors approving it.
> 
> I have joined the whatsapp group. I don't intend to say anymore here.
> 
> Neil
> 
> On 24/03/2020 12:44, Andy Rush wrote:
>> Gentlemen, before this escalates any further, this is a reminder to please keep things civil on the mailing list. I understand that a lockdown is stressful, but this is not a court of law, and we don't need to get to the bottom of who organised this, where, when and how, etc. 
>> 
>> Alex, if you wish to coordinate with others on the mailing list, please feel free to do so. But, lets keep it to that, shall we?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Ansy
>> 
>> From: Hackspace <hackspace-bounces at swansea.hackspace.org.uk> <mailto:hackspace-bounces at swansea.hackspace.org.uk> on behalf of Alex Duffield <alexmduffield at gmail.com> <mailto:alexmduffield at gmail.com>
>> Sent: 24 March 2020 12:37
>> To: Swansea Hackspace <hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk> <mailto:hackspace at swansea.hackspace.org.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [Swansea Hackspace] Medical Mask Printing
>>  
>> Nurse from Brighton children's hospital, confirmed via linked in and phone calls
>> 
>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 12:21 PM Neil Jones <neil at aurinia.co.uk <mailto:neil at aurinia.co.uk>> wrote:
>> A nurse somewhere? Does she have official backing? Do you have good evidence of that?
>> On 24/03/2020 11:56, Alex Duffield wrote:
>>> We are in contact with a nurse in Brighton, it was organised by her cousin initially (he works in 3d printing software) but she's the one requesting these
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 11:18 AM Neil Jones <neil at aurinia.co.uk <mailto:neil at aurinia.co.uk>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 24/03/2020 11:05, Alex Duffield wrote:
>>>> they certainly do have the print farm capacitybut may not have the staff, this particular project is someone specific needing 100 odd asap and approached us with the printing methods
>>> Who is "someone specific" are they working with someone who will definitely and provably use the equipment created. I know a bloke isn't really enough. I am being insistent about this for good reason. I've recently emailed the group's directors with an idea, which because this list is public and googlable I can't discuss here yet.
>>> Neil
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